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Phu Nam Ron with Non O Multiple Entry - to go or not to go?

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Hi all,

 

I have read many good things about the Phu Nam Ron crossing near Kanchanaburi.

I will be in Kanchanaburi for probably next weekend anyways so I thought I might cross into Myanmar to activate another entry on my Non Imm. O Multiple Entry based on marriage.
Usually I am flying sowewhere for a small trip (KL, HCMC, ..) but a couple of months ago I was in Poi Pet and was told not to come back. The officer wrote "Run Visa" under my stamp.

 

Now I am not sure if I should take another land border. On the other hand most people don't seem to have problems with Phu Nam Ron.

I could only find one post of a guy who was told not to come back to Phu Nam Ron.

 

So, should I better fly somewhere?

Or is Phu Nam Ron ok?

If so, what are the opening times?

 

Thanks a lot

 

 

 

 

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You should have no problem getting another 90 days at that crossing.

 

It's open from 06:00 to 20:00 daily.

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Poi Pet is the only land crossing where they will give you grief when doing a border hop for a new entry on your multiple entry visa. At Phu Nam Ron, you will have no problem.

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Please report back and let us know how it goes, so we'll have an upto date lowdown.

 

Many thanks

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I’m a little confused about this. Why or how can immigration officers tell a person not to come back when you have a non O with multiple entry. Does anyone know a legal reason? Just because they can is not a good reason, after a person pays $200USD for such a visa.

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10 minutes ago, nuananddon said:

I’m a little confused about this. Why or how can immigration officers tell a person not to come back when you have a non O with multiple entry. Does anyone know a legal reason? Just because they can is not a good reason, after a person pays $200USD for such a visa.

Just a unfriendly border crossing. I think they do it to reduce the number of people using the Aran/Poi Pet crossing. There is no legal basis for them to say that.

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14 minutes ago, nuananddon said:

I’m a little confused about this. Why or how can immigration officers tell a person not to come back when you have a non O with multiple entry. Does anyone know a legal reason? Just because they can is not a good reason, after a person pays $200USD for such a visa.

They are saying that you can't do a border hop to extend a stay, not that you can't come back. This type of visa is designed for people living outside of Thailand that want to visit frequently. It's not meant to be used to live in the country although The Immigration Bureau allow it.

 

Border checkpoints can legally stop someone doing a border hop if they can justify the reason.

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On 10/18/2017 at 11:11 PM, vi2004 said:

... a couple of months ago I was in Poi Pet and was told not to come back. The officer wrote "Run Visa" under my stamp. ...

Yes, avoid Poipet like the plague.  The "visa run" terminology only appears in police-orders with regard to the Visa-Exempt scheme.  It has never been applied to / referenced cases of people with valid visas.

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On 20.10.2017 at 10:38 PM, JackThompson said:

Yes, avoid Poipet like the plague.  The "visa run" terminology only appears in police-orders with regard to the Visa-Exempt scheme.  It has never been applied to / referenced cases of people with valid visas.

I have a valid visa, a Non O Multiple Entry. Still got this handwritten "visa run" beneath my entry stamp that I was given at Aranyaprathet.
But yes, don't go to Aranyaprathet. If I wanted to go to Siem Reap I would fly out and in ;-)

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35 minutes ago, vi2004 said:

I have a valid visa, a Non O Multiple Entry. Still got this handwritten "visa run" beneath my entry stamp that I was given at Aranyaprathet.
But yes, don't go to Aranyaprathet. If I wanted to go to Siem Reap I would fly out and in ;-)

Understood.  If you do decide to fly-in on a future-trip, be sure to have copies of your proof of marriage, and pics of wife on your phone.  There was one case, awhile back, where a fellow was questioned on the validity for the issuance of his Non-O Multiple based on marriage.  Almost no chance you will ever need it, based on current reports, but it cannot hurt.

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With theNon O multiple isn’t it required that every 90 days you have to cross the border, come back and get a stamp for another 90 days and it’s good for one year. What else would you call that other then a visa run? Does it make any difference what they call it or does it mean something else? I think some of these border officers think they are more important than they really are.

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5 hours ago, nuananddon said:

What else would you call that other then a visa run?

Personally, I prefer the terms "border bounce" or "border hop". I previously liked to use the term "visa run" to describe a trip to a consulate outside Thailand to apply for a visa. However, since Thai immigration seems to refer to crossing the border, in some cases, as a "visa run", like "retirement visa", it becomes ambiguous. In the future, I will probably never again use "visa run" in my posts, because its meaning is now open to misinterpretation.

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2 hours ago, BritTim said:

Personally, I prefer the terms "border bounce" or "border hop". I previously liked to use the term "visa run" to describe a trip to a consulate outside Thailand to apply for a visa. However, since Thai immigration seems to refer to crossing the border, in some cases, as a "visa run", like "retirement visa", it becomes ambiguous. In the future, I will probably never again use "visa run" in my posts, because its meaning is now open to misinterpretation.

I wasn’t trying to be a wise ass, sorry for the misunderstanding. My wife and I spend 6 months in Thailand each year from November to May and they require you to get your passport stamped every 90 days so I guess a person could call that a “run, hop, bounce, flop or whatever and it still all means the same thing. They charge a person $200 for it and Thai’s coming to the States come on a tourist visa and never go home to Thailand again and our stupid government lets them get away with it with sanctuary cities.

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2 minutes ago, nuananddon said:

Thai’s coming to the States come on a tourist visa and never go home to Thailand again

I know many Americans have strong feelings about this. A couple of points might help you to become a little more sanguine about the situation:

  • Thais (and most others from relatively low income countries)  are vetted before being issued tourist visas. I actually have a friend who is a business owner with a healthy bank balance, who wished to take a three week holiday in the US. The request for a tourist visa was denied. This is not an isolated case. As noted in https://www.siam-legal.com/us-visa/us-tourist-visas-for-thai-citizens/,
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    Unfortunately, it can be difficult for Thai citizens to successfully apply for tourist visas.  Tourist visa applicants will not receive a visa unless they can convince immigration officials that they will return to Thailand after their visit.  To convince the visa officer that you plan on returning to Thailand, you will need to produce evidence that you have strong economic and social ties in Thailand which suggest you will return.

  • The number of illegal immigrants in the US has been dropping steadily since 2007. There are anecdotal reports that suggest the decline has accelerated this year. The decline might be reversed should economic conditions worsen in Mexico (where most illegal immigrants originate) which might possibly occur in the wake of a disintegration of NAFTA, and the businesses that rely on it. However, I do believe the impacts of illegal immigration at the current time are overblown. Indeed, since the bulk of the illegal immigrant population is of working age, more self motivated than the average, and (excluding their undocumented status) more law abiding than the average US citizen, it is not clear that their presence in the country is negative on balance.

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Just from the small village we live in when in Thailand there are many women who have went to the Los Angeles area on tourist visa’s and got married(frudently?) in less then a year knowing their mate or signed up for college education enrolled in a strip mall university never went to class and have been there working for many years. Now they want to bring their children there because everything is free(they think). My sister in law left her husband went there 2years ago and has not and probably will not return, she’s looking to marry an American so she can stay even though she’s still married in Thailand. I also know a fairly wealthy Thai lady who makes a living loaning moneyto these people so they can show USA immigration they are well off and plan on returning after their tour is complete. More damn scams then a person can keep up with. And the government does nothing, if you overstay in Thailand you are fined and if it’s a long overstay you’re blacklisted and can’t get back in, over there the government probably buys them a bouquet of flowers and the airfare to go home. Then people wonder why the American people elected a leader who might just put Americans first.

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