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Hi,

 

Short details:

 

-from germany

-23 years old

-current passport has:

1 visa exempt entry

2x SETV from Vientianne

1x SETV from Bali

1x SETV from Penang (this one got the red stamp remark saying: "Remark: The holder of this passport travels to Thailand under a tourist visa several times which may result in the refusal of a visa in the future")

-There are also a couple of old SETVs from various countries in my old passport. (not sure if that matters)

 

First of all the most important thing, I dont work in thailand and have no intention to work here.

I just want to continue to travel around thailand because I love the country. 

Reason I dont get a elite visa is because the 5 year period is too long for me. I would like to stay here for a while but I dont want to commit to something that expensive when its possible that I just change my mind and want to travel further to other countries.

 

So what are my options for staying here longer ?

 

Im very grateful for your thoughts and help guys :signthaivisa:

 

 

 

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with respect sir you have been warned purchase longer stay visa  more suited to your  semi permanent visits to Thailand  or do not come again  on tourist type

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Just for clarification :

Does getting a red stamp mean that you will definitely get refused another TV , or does it mean you will face questioning (and if found to have a legitimate reason for staying in Thailand, then be granted a tourist visa ?)

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2 minutes ago, Sigma6 said:

Get a new passport, or enrol to study something (and actually study it)

whilst a new passport might get rid of the stamp would not the info still be available to the IO from the data base ?? 

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4 minutes ago, Lamkyong said:

whilst a new passport might get rid of the stamp would not the info still be available to the IO from the data base ?? 

The red stamp will most likely stop the OP getting a new TR visa anywhere. 

With a new passport they will get a another tourist visa. 

Providing the OP jumps through all the hoops that immigration set (20k, onward flights etc) they’re unlikely to have a problem entering thailand, im my experience. 

 

Though the OPs age makes it unlikely that they’re not working in some capacity whilst here,  which could raise questions with the IO

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1 hour ago, Lamkyong said:

whilst a new passport might get rid of the stamp would not the info still be available to the IO from the data base ?? 

The information would be available to immigration officers even if he is carrying a new passport, but embassies would not have that past record. If he uses an embassy he's used before, they might have records of visas he's obtained specifically from them.

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1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Just for clarification :

Does getting a red stamp mean that you will definitely get refused another TV , or does it mean you will face questioning (and if found to have a legitimate reason for staying in Thailand, then be granted a tourist visa ?)

The "red stamp" has only one effect: Many/most Thai-consulates nearby will no longer issue you a Tourist Visa.  I received a Tourist Visa at Savanahket to spite a stamp from somewhere else (not in Laos), after providing the full list of Savanakhet's requirements - but that may have been good luck.  I was later denied a Tourist Visa at Vientiane, due to the same stamp, to spite having proof of money, where I stayed, etc.

 

Time for a new passport, unless changing to another type of visa for stay.  Some consulate-personnel will advise you that this is the only available workaround.  They don't access the immigration-db, and the immigration-db doesn't have "red stamp" records in it.

 

1 hour ago, Lamkyong said:

whilst a new passport might get rid of the stamp would not the info still be available to the IO from the data base ?? 

Yes, but that is only a problem if entering at lawless immigration checkpoints, where the laws/rules regarding Tourist Visa use are not followed, and "made up" rules are applied.  These checkpoints include many/most airports (both in Bangkok) plus the Poipet/Aranyaprathet border crossing.  There is no "real law or rule" limiting the number of times a person can enter Thailand on Tourist Visas in a given time-period.

 

Even at the airports, denials are very rare if the foreigner has 20K Baht in cash - though there was one case where someone was forced to buy a "ticket home" they did not need/use (so it could be an expensive risk), and another where they are accused of working illegally (absent any proof of such), denied entry, and forced to buy a last-minute ticket back where they just flew from. 

 

If entering elsewhere with a valid Tourist Visa and in possession of 20K Baht worth of cash or travelers checks, there are no recent reports (in years) of problems with entry.  The 20K is usually only asked to be shown when coming in from Malaysia.

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We see all these issues because Thailand doesn't want working illegally and I have no problem with that but wouldn't it be better to clamp down on the companies that hire them? If no one will hire you to work illegally then it wouldn't matter how many tourist visas you have in your passport. I guess that is too much to ask though

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Let’s remember that the immigation officer is solely able to deny an entry. admission is of his responsability, according to thai law

However, coming from Germany, with a tourist visa issued on a new passport will certainly give you access to The Kingdom

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Pay for tuition at a language school to get the Ed visa paperwork, then when you actually go to get the visa (in Laos), go with an agency in a van. Often what these agencies do is present a van-load of passports at a time to one of their 'contacts' at immigration, who quickly stamps them all without really scrutinizing, while you all wait in the van, then you're back in the country and you have a year's stay on the Ed visa. 

 

Once you're towards the end of that year's stay, you can consider renewing your passport for a fresh one at that point, then doing another Ed visa after that. Or, just do a 2nd Ed visa on that passport and again, go with an agency. Then definitely renew once you're towards the end of the 2nd year.

 

This was the advice given to a friend of mine who is on his 2nd year of Ed visas, after 5 SETVs, so even more than you. He's currently in BKK he got questioned flying in on the 2nd Ed visa, but after a phonecall to his school they eventually let him in. A lady at his school recommended next time he go with an agency in a van. And at the airport one of the IOs even recommended he get a new passport, haha.

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Did you return home for any amount of time between all those tourist visas? 4 tourist visas +1  visa exempt is honestly pretty excessive in todays climate.

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I hope you are aware that you can extend the tourist exempt entry and the SETV for an additional 30 days by going to immigration and paying 1900 baht. You also could get a reentry permit (single 1,000 baht-----multi 3800 baht) either at airport or immigration so that you could travel around to other countries without losing your visa time in Thailand.

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Many of long term tourist visa holders  teach English or other subjects without degree and work permit (for low paying jobs) since it is hard to earn even that in their home country. They use agents to get those jobs. 

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