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23 hours ago, SirBuwanaDogbossKing said:

Are they? where did you get this information from?

They have been illegal since 2014.  Do keep up!

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Directly from a police website:

 

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 they fall into a category of goods that have not had tax levied on them and their possession therefore is illegal. Offenders could face five years of jail time or a fine of four times the value of the goods or both jail and a fine.

The importation, sale, and production for sale of e-cigarettes is also illegal with offenders liable to 10-year sentences for production and sale and a fine of five times the value of the goods or both. This law has been on the statute since December 2014.

 

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7 hours ago, rosst said:

If only the level of energy being diverted to this issue were to be applied to enforcing the traffic regulations, they would save tens of thousands of lives. 

I am at a loss to explain why the ability to enforce draconian fines for smoking on the beach but it is not applied to the universal throwing of plastic litter on the beaches. 

I know what would benefit the country the most. 

It's more to do with politics and less to do with health, litter or anything else.

However, given that the person responsible used the wrong legislation and too much face would be lost to admit they were wrong, it's probably going to be mostly ignored as with most such regulations ( they tried to ban people sitting in the back of pickups, but nothing actually happened about that where I am ), till it gets quietly forgotten.

I'm hoping that even the most rabid official will understand what will happen to farang tourism if they actually put someone in jail. However, the scammers will love it, till it gets too much publicity.

All happened before on Sukhumvit with the ciggy butt scam.

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I've asked this question before on previous threads on this subject, but haven't yet received a sensible answer.

 

The law has been tagged on to the environmental protection laws, the 'crime' being littering, or polluting the beach rather than smoking per se. That's what all the publicity has been about - the 'terrible pollution' caused by cigarette butts.

 

So what if I'm a pipe smoker? No butts. No litter. Am I to be prosecuted under the environmental protection laws for polluting the beach with cigarette butts even though I'm doing nothing of the sort? Or what if I always carry a portable ashtray with me, and always take my used cigarette butts away with me. Am I to be prosecuted for polluting the beach, even though I leave no trace of smoking behind me? Or what if I smoke filterless roll-ups, the butt end of which biodegrades in a couple of days (just a bit of rice paper and a few strands of dried leaf)? No polluting cellulose butts involved there.

 

I really don't think they've thought this one through properly. If the authorities really do start fining people, and they catch someone who falls into one of the above categories who has enough time and money that he or she decides to fight the case, I can't see the authorities being able to win. If they'd banned smoking on the beach on the spurious grounds of 'health', they would have a stronger case, but banning it on the grounds of polluting the environment should, in theory, exempt any smoker who is demonstrably NOT polluting.

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@nisakiman -- the obvious answer is that the law is what the individual with enough power wants it to be. That's the way it is, and I can't see it ever changing because the elites see it as a way to allow the lower classes a chance to share in the country's enormous corruption without them having to "get down and dirty" and engage with the hoi polloi. Remember all the BS concerning the tesakit in Bangkok over the years? Despite prolonged protest and bitching from tourists, no one in authority, least of all any Bangkok governor, bothered to do anything about it. 

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On 11/17/2017 at 5:28 AM, Samui Bodoh said:

While I am okay with banning smoking on the beaches, I am deeply concerned with the management of this policy; nowhere in the story did it mention a committee to implement the policy!

 

How can you have a policy without a committee? 

 

Anarchy... Madness... Chaos... What the hell is happening???

nothing much happening. just the usual Thai clowneries. :coffee1:

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On 11/17/2017 at 8:47 AM, impulse said:

 

But the unacceptable act is littering, yet they've banned smoking.  It's a little like banning driving because some idiots are a menace behind the wheel.  Or swimming, because a few people drown each year.

 

Come down like a hammer on littering.  And bad driving.  Don't just ban it for everyone.

 

on the beach we should relax in a clear air enviroment 

smoking does not held that . again you hav the right to smoke 

without disturbing others there  will be smoking areas for you to poison your selves 

without disturbing others

come back to me when you can walk one meter without seeing ten or so TAB ENDS

 

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On 11/17/2017 at 8:51 AM, sammieuk1 said:

Glad to see you are giving a 20m area for smokers may consider starting . 

what on earth do you mean ?

is that english?

words missing?

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On 11/17/2017 at 9:01 AM, stephen tracy said:

Sure, a small fine is reasonable but a jail term is certainly not. I quit smoking years ago and also don't like being around second hand smoke anymore, but I think you're getting a bit high and mighty referring to them as "filthy".  There are far worse things one can do than smoke. 

check smokers lungs lined with TAR

filthy habbit

filthy to throw ever cigarrette they smoke on the ground plus the packets for their all short lives

how many M3 is that ?????

 

other things far worst ( lets keep to the subject at hand)

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On 11/17/2017 at 10:38 AM, DM07 said:

You are the life of every party, I bet!

Did you get the children off your lawn?

:coffee1:

what is your answer to the question

i told many kids and adults not to litter 

 

this is our planet for all of us to protect .

 

all the party i do are fun and well apreciated thanks 

never tolds kids to get off the lawn

 

 

 

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On 11/17/2017 at 6:04 PM, garbolino said:

why are there NO SEATS IN THE SMOKING TENTS ?????????????

same reason there are no seats in toilets 

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On 11/17/2017 at 9:11 PM, connda said:

They don't have the manpower to patrol the most dangerous roads in the world here in the LOS - but they seem to have excess manpower to go after - smokers.  :glare:  Is this surreal or what?

stop going off subjet 

you are right roads are killers

but keep it for the correct forum

you are not helping 

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1 hour ago, sharpjwe said:

again you hav the right to smoke without disturbing others there  will be smoking areas for you to poison your selves 

without disturbing others

an excellent idea! i hate it when others disturb me with filthy and silly comments when i'm enjoying a cigarette or a cigar. :smile:

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3 hours ago, nisakiman said:

 

 

I really don't think they've thought this one through properly. If the authorities really do start fining people, and they catch someone who falls into one of the above categories who has enough time and money that he or she decides to fight the case, I can't see the authorities being able to win. If they'd banned smoking on the beach on the spurious grounds of 'health', they would have a stronger case, but banning it on the grounds of polluting the environment should, in theory, exempt any smoker who is demonstrably NOT polluting.

If they'd "thought it through properly" that would be a first.

Don't count on a farang ever winning in court if they don't want the farang to win.

 

As for your question, it all depends on who is booking you, if they had one last night, if they had an argument with the mia noi, if they had enough to eat, or if they are annoyed at life in general.

 

They used the environmental legislation rather than littering because, IMO, they didn't understand it properly. No sane person is going to put a tourist in jail for a year or fine them 100k for having a smoke of tobacco when littering is a mere 2,000, though I saw a no smoking sign threatening 5,000 for smoking on a songtheaw the other day. Still rather less than 100k.

 

BTW, don't expect to ever win an argument with a petty official on the basis of logic or sense, and that applies anywhere in the world.

 

PS- creating smoke by any means is polluting, whether by ciggie or pipe. The only thing it isn't would be littering.

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