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French Embassy of Bangkok Denies a French citizen and his children to have his Thai wife to accompany them back to France.

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One would think that common sense, compassion and righteousness describe France best, yet  it seems that things are changing and that this time is over. France is no longer that country of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity where its citizens and children grow together, are cherished, and are given the rights to freedom of speech, critical thinking, as well as being with one's family back to the mother land. Indeed, today November 23rd 2017, and perhaps copying Thailand's own silliness towards endless unintelligent bureaucratic requests and demands, the French embassy of Bangkok denied a French father and his two children born in Thailand from a Thai mother to be given the chance to bring not just the father and the children home but the whole family with the mother before his Thai visa and financial savings vanish in the air in March 2018.

 

So I wonder, how would a person from his own country be denied the simple right to be home with his children and wife ? How could a diplomatic institution representing France show so little compassion and common sense ?

 

According to Le Monde, a renown French newspaper, France has welcomed more that 10 000 Syrians since 2011 so how is it too difficult to allow one Thai mother to accompany her French husband and children when so many foreigners are entitled this very same privilege which was rejected to the mother of two young French citizens ?

 

I wonder then, is the French Embassy of Bangkok not contributing to that feeling of unfairness which too often leads to discrimination and prejudice based on resentments ? And therefore, who s the one bearing the burden of spreading hate ? 10 000 Syrians allowed, one Thai mother of French citizens refused : how should a father feel ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I would like to hear the reasons they were turned down on before I make comment.

each country has its rules that must be adhered to.

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4 minutes ago, oldgent said:

I would like to hear the reasons they were turned down on before I make comment.

each country has its rules that must be adhered to.

Yes indeed, what was the reason for entry-denial?

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2 minutes ago, swissie said:

Yes indeed, what was the reason for entry-denial?

maybe romain22 can enlighten us

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"...one Thai mother of French citizens refused..."

"...the French embassy of Bangkok denied a French father and his two children born in Thailand from a Thai mother to be given the chance to bring not just the father and the children home..."

 

If the father is French, then France cannot deny him entry to his own country.

If the children really have French nationality then France cannot deny them entry either.

It sounds as though France does not want the Thai mother to be given permission to stay there.  It happens all the time with many nationalities. 

 

Perhaps this has something to do with it..."before his Thai visa and financial savings vanish in the air in March 2018" ?

 

"... France has welcomed more that 10 000 Syrians since 2011 so how is it too difficult to allow one Thai mother to accompany her French husband and children..."

There's a huge difference between Syrian refugees escaping a war zone being let in and a Thai woman (or her husband) who probably cannot meet France's requirements just wanting to live in France, a woman who is in no danger whatsoever.

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2 hours ago, swissie said:

Yes indeed, what was the reason for entry-denial?

It's simple to explain, they don't like Thai people so they look for any excuse to deny them entry.

 

I can't blame them either. How many French people are allowed to come and live in Thailand indefinitely ?

 

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I don't think it has to do with (just) the French Embassy in Thailand.

It has probably more to do with common accepted EU Schengen laws and Visa with the 28 member countries.

 

Other EU countries wouldn't just allow the spouse to come with the biological parent (and born Thai children) also.

Better don't make comparisons with refugees' situation since they're "allowed" into the EU with totally different laws which is painful enough.

 

(Asian and other countries') partners have to follow the rules of the Schengen country where the EU parent comes from, no matter if he/she is from France, Spain, Italy or Holland for that matter.

Those countries wouldn't allow the biological mother (or father) also, just like that.

 

There are rules like studying the language first going through the visa process laws etcetera, first.

 

The biological mother will probably have a better chance, applying for a Tourist visa for a maximum period of 3 months, after which she has to return to Thailand and wait for another 3 months for a new tourist visa.

 

Better play by the rules and she will be allowed to settle in France a little later, rather than immediately. 

 

Again, it has nothing to do with Thailand or the French Embassy; they're just following the laws.

 

Imagine any other country in Asia (Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia) where the biological mother would have given birth to 1, 2 or 5 children (to the EU father) and the outcome would be the same; the EU Embassy would NOT allow her into the EU country immediately.

Step by step and follow the rules.

 

Good luck for the family :wai:

 

 

 

 

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Denying a European citizen the unrestricted right to bring his/her genuine spouse into his/her country, is a fairly recent thing.

 

However, most (maybe all) European governments are under pressure from their populace to reduce immigration.

 

It is extremely difficult (and very costly) to keep out illegal immigrants - and it's unlawful to deny entry to genuine asylum seekers (rightly so IMHO).

 

Unfortunately for some, it is very much easier for the immigration authorities to find a reason to deny entry to the spouse or civil partner of a law abiding citizen.

 

Question: Which is the easier way to reduce the immigration figures?

(a) build a wall

(b) thorough examination of all asylum applications

(c) increase the financial requirements for a spouse visa.

 

"Picking off the low-hanging fruit" is an expression which accurately describes this situation.

 

 

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what was the poster trying to get from this post, is the father in the post himself ?

or did he feel the need to tell someone. it just don,t make sense to me.

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Guess you're venting. Yeah, you've been living under an illusion - the  "inalienable" right to bring your spouse home with you is not so inalienable. As a Frenchman you should be well-used to bureaucracy and rules are rules; venting won't help much I'm afraid, might make you feel better though.

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5 hours ago, LaoPo said:

I don't think it has to do with (just) the French Embassy in Thailand.

It has probably more to do with common accepted EU Schengen laws and Visa with the 28 member countries.

 

Other EU countries wouldn't just allow the spouse to come with the biological parent (and born Thai children) also.

Better don't make comparisons with refugees' situation since they're "allowed" into the EU with totally different laws which is painful enough.

 

(Asian and other countries') partners have to follow the rules of the Schengen country where the EU parent comes from, no matter if he/she is from France, Spain, Italy or Holland for that matter.

Those countries wouldn't allow the biological mother (or father) also, just like that.

 

There are rules like studying the language first going through the visa process laws etcetera, first.

 

The biological mother will probably have a better chance, applying for a Tourist visa for a maximum period of 3 months, after which she has to return to Thailand and wait for another 3 months for a new tourist visa.

 

Better play by the rules and she will be allowed to settle in France a little later, rather than immediately. 

 

Again, it has nothing to do with Thailand or the French Embassy; they're just following the laws.

 

Imagine any other country in Asia (Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia) where the biological mother would have given birth to 1, 2 or 5 children (to the EU father) and the outcome would be the same; the EU Embassy would NOT allow her into the EU country immediately.

Step by step and follow the rules.

 

Good luck for the family :wai:

 

 

 

 

Easiest way would be to move to another Schengen country first, and in due course to France.

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10 hours ago, romain22 said:

...citizens and children grow together, are cherished, and are given the rights to freedom of speech, critical thinking, as well as being with one's family back to the mother land. ...

...has absolutely bugger all to do with the "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité" that prefaces the statement, nothing at all.

 

However, the suggestion that French immigration bureacracy lacks humanity may be somewhat comforting to the bellyaching Brits who, with their rapidly diminishing pension pot to p!ss in, find themselves similarly between the proverbial rock and a hard place mostly due to their own lack of fiscal discipline.

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