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1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Your original post said "Don't mention the oil!". From the above, seems like the oil is being mentioned, though (there are actually quite a few articles discussing the situation). But what we're talking about here is hardly significant on international or even regional level. If you original comment was an attempt to spin this along these lines, doubt it holds.

I noticed that in the article the oil reserves there where not mentioned, that's why .... As in "Don't mention the war!" when you are in German company. Serious and funny at the same time. Maybe that's more familiar ...

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2 minutes ago, Jack Mountain said:

I noticed that in the article the oil reserves there where not mentioned, that's why .... As in "Don't mention the war!" when you are in German company. Serious and funny at the same time. Maybe that's more familiar ...

Compared to the major oil fields in the mideast, it's very small potatoes. Not worth the investment of a war.

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1 minute ago, Jack Mountain said:

I noticed that in the article the oil reserves there where not mentioned, that's why .... As in "Don't mention the war!" when you are in German company. Serious and funny at the same time. Maybe that's more familiar ...

 

The oil reserves, such as they are, may be relevant to Syria and Syrian Kurds. Less so with regard to the US presence or Turkey's objections to the "new" Kurdish military outfit. The "don't mention the war!" thing doesn't quite apply.

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Keep the discussion civil.   Continued derogatory remarks aimed at others will have consequences.   

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Turkey deploys tanks, says will act against US-backed forces in Syria as US backpedals

 

  • Turkey's President Tayyip Erdogan said he would not hesitate to take action against US-backed fighters in Syria's Kurdish Afrin district after deploying tanks to the region.
  • The US denied reports that it would form a new 30,000-strong border force to police the Turkey-Syria-Iran border.
  • Turkey considers elements of the Syrian forces that the US backs to be part of the PKK, a Kurdish organization widely considered to be a terrorist
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  • www.businessinsider.com/turkey-deploys-tanks-says-will-act-against-us-backed-forces-in-syria-2018-1

No big surprise here for those who understand the depth of Turkish rancor against the PKK and its allies. There are those who will argue that this is merely a cosmetic change of stance for the US and that the program will continue. They simply do not understand the vehemence of Turkish opposition to anything resembling a Kurdish state. Especially when it would be on the border with Turkey.

The US has no realistic choice but to back down. The Turks won't.

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7 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Maybe so, true...but it would probably be a smart move.

Why would it be smart? An ensuing worldwide economic crisis would be a good thing? Unless you're counting on the Russians to keep the peace.

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OK, everyone can keep on pandering to corporatism and the financial world. High time people realised that this (economics) should not supercede everything not matter what. Rest my case.

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A post with an aberrant spelling has been removed.   The name of the Turkish PM is Erdogan.   Continued deliberate misspellings will get you a suspension.  

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On 1/16/2018 at 5:30 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Time for the US to face reality and realise the Erdogan's government is not a US ally.

Time for them to dump Erdogan and his anti democratic government, but let it be known they'd change their mind if Erdogan was gone and replaced by a democracy.

If the Turks strike the Kurds will the US do nothing. Easy to give hope to a people and then turn your back on them. Turkey is no longer an Ally of the West. It is a neo Ottoman state trying to reassert its influence in the middle east. How long before Erdogan begins accusing Greece of transgressions?

History is an endless loop of unlearned lessons

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So this will be the next major conflict? final battle between Kurds and Turks

 

I favor the Kurds personally 

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10 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

OK, everyone can keep on pandering to corporatism and the financial world. High time people realised that this (economics) should not supercede everything not matter what. Rest my case.

So why would it be a good move?

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22 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Turkey deploys tanks, says will act against US-backed forces in Syria as US backpedals

 

  • Turkey's President Tayyip Erdogan said he would not hesitate to take action against US-backed fighters in Syria's Kurdish Afrin district after deploying tanks to the region.
  • The US denied reports that it would form a new 30,000-strong border force to police the Turkey-Syria-Iran border.
  • Turkey considers elements of the Syrian forces that the US backs to be part of the PKK, a Kurdish organization widely considered to be a terrorist
  •  
  • www.businessinsider.com/turkey-deploys-tanks-says-will-act-against-us-backed-forces-in-syria-2018-1

No big surprise here for those who understand the depth of Turkish rancor against the PKK and its allies. There are those who will argue that this is merely a cosmetic change of stance for the US and that the program will continue. They simply do not understand the vehemence of Turkish opposition to anything resembling a Kurdish state. Especially when it would be on the border with Turkey.

The US has no realistic choice but to back down. The Turks won't.

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The US will "back down" how? Stop supporting the Kurds in Syria? Withdraw US troops? Retrieve supplied arms? These are all demands and requests raised by Erdogan at one point of another. Unlikely these will materialize any time soon.

 

It does not matter much whether Tillerson's denial is mere damage control or if it does have factual merit. The announcement did sound somewhat bogus (or rather unnecessarily provocative) to begin with, and guess that with proper vetting by the State Department things wouldn't have escalated. The Trump administration's ability to create misunderstandings based on this or that statement is a common occurrence by now.

 

Erdogan (directly or via minions) says a whole lot of things, much of it bluster, posturing and hot air. Confusing his bombastic statements with actual, persistent action is off-mark, though. Most such instances go nowhere much, or at least not as far as Erdogan's big mouth indicates.

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Are you saying that Mattis and McMaster were left out of the loop on this one? Seems unlikely. I thought they were supposed to be the grown-ups. I think that, like you, they were lulled by the tepid,  if undependable, Turkish acceptance of a role for the SDF in the Syrian civil war. and underestimated the ferocity of the Turkish response to this move. It scared the sh*t out of them and forced them into a clumsy and apologetic retreat. I think the story below provides strong evidence for this interpretation.

Turkish attack on US-backed Kurds in Syria believed imminent

Turkish troops and tanks near the Syrian border are making final plans to attack the US military’s Kurdish partners inside northern Syria as tensions between Ankara and Washington near unprecedented levels.

Ahead of a widely expected incursion, the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, threatened to “destroy all terror nests”, a reference to Kurdish forces that the US has used as proxies in the fight against Islamic State (Isis) and Turkey views as a subversive threat.


Tensions over the Kurds, which have tested relations between two nominal allies for the past three years, spiked over the weekend, when Washington announced it would raise a border force from the Kurdish-dominated Syrian Defence Force, which led the battle against Isis in north-east Syria.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/16/turkish-attack-on-us-backed-kurds-in-syria-believed-imminent

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