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Thaivisa exclusive: Aussie bound biker stranded in Thailand talks to Thaivisa after being dumped off plane in Bangkok

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5 minutes ago, ttrd said:

Of course not - he cannot make Reference to an Income which require him to be back in Australia and work....

 

It is as well stated in the article that he is running out of Money which confirm that he didnt have 800k/thb in a bank acount.

 

So, he did NOT qualify for neither of the 2 options (800h/thb in bank or 65k/thb Income).....

You would think a good working class Aussie guys working for many years with family, (and wife probably working), would have savings and does not have to live from week to week?

maybe we soon see him on go-fund me or one of these other lovely e-begging sites.

 

dont think people will be quite so generous with this character as they was with Graham Briar tho

 

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16 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

It is fine being on a PR for 65 years if that is what you want, but when someone does that they have to realize that they don't have the same rights to reside in the country if they violate the law... anyone on a PR or other visa may be deported if they have a criminal record (depending on the country it could be minor or major offences).  The fact he joined a criminal organization while not having citizenship to protect their right to remain... shows either a level of arrogance or stupidity. 

Not completely correct.  Australia regularly revokes the citizenship of people born overseas.

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2 hours ago, halloween said:

If you were a citizen you would know there is no compulsion to vote, only to have your name crossed off at the polling station. Good luck on your next o/s trip.

Why?

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40 minutes ago, car720 said:

Not completely correct.  Australia regularly revokes the citizenship of people born overseas.

I don't think they do TBH.

 

Unless you obtain your citizenship fraudulently or are convicted of terrorism related crimes, it doesn't happen

that much, if any I think.

 

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The clubs, who even themselves admit, just left defending themselves too long. The media had all the chances in the world and jumped on the opportunity to label them as criminal gangs. Some members of the groups didn't help the ease of generating the image by being involved in public illegal activity. From the government/police point of view, they seem to think they have the intelligence that a lot of it has moved away from just loving bikes and moved into making money in questionable ways. 

If the law is just based on his own involvement in criminal activity then fair game to the government to do what they have to do. Bike clubs have had a lot of attention for a long time now (whether rightly or wrongly), so members have had a lot of warning to make sure they are squeaky clean. If it is purely based on the fact he is connected with a bike club then not fair game. However, I feel there would be current investigations not open to the public which has formed the decision in the end, rather than he is just a member of a motorcycle club. He can fight that in the courts. 

Your actions always catch up with you. Yes, people deserve second chances. However, when you know you are not a citizen, you know you have previous serious convictions and you know you have a family, then that should be enough to make the decision to leave. Seems the decision for him to leave the club is very easy now once he is facing consequences. Should have done it for your family before. 

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4 hours ago, halloween said:

If you were a citizen you would know there is no compulsion to vote, only to have your name crossed off at the polling station. Good luck on your next o/s trip.

I dont think that's correct halloween...(although they certainly can not tell if you just defaced the vote paper, when you have entered the booth.)

The compulsory vote as I am sure you know is for a reason that has nothing to do with representation or with Democracy....Just with the amount of money each vote is worth.

 

Yes, under federal electoral law, it is compulsory for all eligible Australian citizens to enrol and vote in federal elections, by-elections and referendums.14 Feb 2017

Voting within Australia – Frequently Asked Questions - Australian ...

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18 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

I dont think that's correct halloween...(although they certainly can not tell if you just defaced the vote paper, when you have entered the booth.)

The compulsory vote as I am sure you know is for a reason that has nothing to do with representation or with Democracy....Just with the amount of money each vote is worth.

 

Yes, under federal electoral law, it is compulsory for all eligible Australian citizens to enrol and vote in federal elections, by-elections and referendums.14 Feb 2017

Voting within Australia – Frequently Asked Questions - Australian ...

www.aec.gov.au/FAQs/Voting_Australia.htmView Similar Sites

 

Yes, that is what they tell you, but after having your name crossed off and being handed a ballot paper(s) there is no compulsion to fill it out correctly or deposit it. Compare this to Thailand, where destroying or defacing your ballot paper is an offence that could have (and has) the voter

arrested and charged.

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2 hours ago, tingtongtourist said:

You would think a good working class Aussie guys working for many years with family, (and wife probably working), would have savings and does not have to live from week to week?

maybe we soon see him on go-fund me or one of these other lovely e-begging sites.

 

dont think people will be quite so generous with this character as they was with Graham Briar tho

 

Thing is, he was never an Aussie. Just a Brit with an Australian accent. 

2 hours ago, car720 said:

Not completely correct.  Australia regularly revokes the citizenship of people born overseas.

Not true. Recent changes to citizenship laws mean this can only be done when terrorism is involved, and importantly,  you have a second citizenship so you can be deported back to that country. 

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3 hours ago, tingtongtourist said:

You would think a good working class Aussie guys working for many years with family, (and wife probably working), would have savings and does not have to live from week to week?

maybe we soon see him on go-fund me or one of these other lovely e-begging sites.

 

dont think people will be quite so generous with this character as they was with Graham Briar tho

 

"e-begging" - I love it, best description I have seen!

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4 hours ago, car720 said:

Not completely correct.  Australia regularly revokes the citizenship of people born overseas.

Which is why I stated earlier that they should get citizenship WITHOUT committing fraud.  

 

As part of getting citizenship (current) (through the Pledge of Commitment) you pledge (as part of citizenship) to be loyal to Australia and it's people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I will uphold and obey".  If you took that pledge and at that time you were an enemy agent (ISIS, Al Qaeda, Red Brigade etc.) whose stated aims are contrary to the pledge then you are getting citizenship fraudulently.  If you falsify documents, you are getting citizenship fraudulently.  Any benefits received through fraud should be legally able to be removed.

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21 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Members of outlaw motorcycle gangs should not be allowed into Thailand. If they are, they should be made stay within the confines of Pattaya where the rest of the world's criminal rejects/perverts reside, along with the prostitutes and criminals of Thailand. OK, I know there is 1 % that are there for the nice beach.

BTW - where is that beach?

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21 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Unless you are a citizen -- you do not have a permanent right to reside regardless of actions.  If you want to ensure that right -- you should become a citizen (without committing fraud).  Permanent residency only grants you residence (and the right to work) without having to go through a regular approval process to remain, but permanent residency has always had the issue that if you commit a significant criminal offence (assault would count) you would no longer be abiding by the conditions of that permit.  If you are a member of an organized criminal organization -- I would think that would be more than sufficient to void conditions as part of the permit.

 

If you are in the country, you have the right to appeal the process and typically reside until it is complete.  If however you leave during that time, you do not maintain that right to reside until the appeal is processed (it is pretty normal process in most countries).  

Oz permanent residency is just another form of visa, with the right to stay and work like a citizen but without the right to vote.  As with any visa, it can be revoke and not renew.  It is obvious that he was under the authorities radar and got flagged as an "undesirable".  What better way to get rid of him by denying him re-entry into the country.  Doing that on Australian soil would require resources and taxpayers money.  He can appeal of course but that be at an Australian embassy.  Also Thai immigration can deny him re-entry once he leaves, or he may be ask to leave.  In the meantime I would suggest he change his appearance here and keep a low profile, like done a robe or change the colors of his tattoos to make them less visible .... ;)

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3 minutes ago, farangx said:

Oz permanent residency is just another form of visa, with the right to stay and work like a citizen but without the right to vote.  As with any visa, it can be revoke and not renew.  It is obvious that he was under the authorities radar and got flagged as an "undesirable".  What better way to get rid of him by denying him re-entry into the country.  Doing that on Australian soil would require resources and taxpayers money.  He can appeal of course but that be at an Australian embassy.  Also Thai immigration can deny him re-entry once he leaves, or he may be ask to leave.  In the meantime I would suggest he change his appearance here and keep a low profile, like done a robe or change the colors of his tattoos to make them less visible .... ;)

Anyway he will keep a low profile as it was stated he is running out of Money....:coffee1:

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7 hours ago, Will27 said:

I don't think they do TBH.

 

Unless you obtain your citizenship fraudulently or are convicted of terrorism related crimes, it doesn't happen

that much, if any I think.

 

Pretty sure that obtaining citizenship by fraud is the yardstick for reversing it and it’s rare.

These bikie folks make most of the Perth money from selling amphetamine like drugs and that’s why he’s persona non grata.

 

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17 minutes ago, BKK1969 said:

Pretty sure that obtaining citizenship by fraud is the yardstick for reversing it and it’s rare.

These bikie folks make most of the Perth money from selling amphetamine like drugs and that’s why he’s persona non grata.

 

Thailand seems to welcome all the non grata labelled  - maybe they have overlooked NON and just focused on GRATA...??...:coffee1:

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