Jump to content

Recommended Posts

30 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Again, nobody cares. Don't go scare mongering, and giving bad advice..

 

OK, let's deal with the above in order.

 

Do not confuse lack of enforcement with legal, two totally different things.

 

Scaremongering, where in any of my posts have I mentioned arrests or punishments for working without a work permit.

 

If by "bad advice", you mean simply stating what the law says, then guilty as charged.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
37 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do you know any individual online teacher,  working at home, or any tutoring at a house or language school to have been charged? I don't.

 

Where were these two teachers working? These are your words, not mine.

 

"On all my time here, I've only ever known of 2 teachers to get done for not having a WP."

 

Posted Saturday at 09:29 AM ·

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, pearciderman said:

The ONLY thing that matters is where YOU are, not the company, client or taxes paid.

 

If YOU are in Thailand working in any capacity, (and that can mean virtually anything according to the law), then you must have a work permit.

Actually, that's not true at all.

 

It's what you are doing, how you are doing it and who you are doing it for.

 

For example, the alien employment act... for aliens that are employed here (not remotely for non-Thai companies that have nothing to do with Thailand and paid into and taxed in home country accounts) lists numbers of exemptions where no WP is required.

 

Cheers. 

Edited by Happy Grumpy

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
31 minutes ago, pearciderman said:

If by "bad advice", you mean simply stating what the law says, then guilty as charged.

You've already shown that you don't know the law.

 

"If YOU are in Thailand working in any capacity, (and that can mean virtually anything according to the law), then you must have a work permit."

 

The Alien Employment Act lists out a number of exceptions. 

 

You're wrong and don't know what you'r talking about. 

 

Cheers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

The Alien Employment Act lists out a number of exceptions. 

 

You're wrong and don't know what you'r talking about. 

 

Cheers.

 

OK, let's clear up that the OP is in no way shape or form talking about either diplomatic or consular missions, as they do not require work permits. Below is a list of things that a foreigner can do without a work permit, you may notice that online teaching is not on it.

 

Based on the opinion of the Council of State, the DOE issued the Notification in March 2015, specifying the following activities not considered as ‘work’ under the Act:
1. Attendance at meetings, discussions or seminars.
2. Attendance at exhibitions or trade exhibitions.
3. Visits to observe businesses or to meet for business dialogues.
4. Attendance at special lectures and academic lectures.
5. Attendance at technical training and seminars.
6. Purchasing of goods in trade exhibitions.
7. Attendance at board of directors meetings of one’s company.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, pearciderman said:

online teaching is not on it.

 

Of course not.

 

Working remotely (and privately) for a non-Thai company that doesn't have any connection to any Thais or Thailand, while paid and taxed into a home nation account, and which money never enters Thailand, doesn't fall under the Thai Alien Employment Act. Obviously.

 

If it did they would have the process set up to get one. As it doesn't fall under the Thai Alien Employment Act, they don't. 

 

 

Cheers.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

the Thai Alien Employment Act. Obviously.

 

Did you mean The new Royal Decree on Managing the Work of Aliens (2017) , as this cancels and replaces the two main pieces of legislation regulating foreigners working in Thailand, namely the Royal Decree on Bringing Alien to Work in the Kingdom B.E. 2559 (2016) and the Alien's Work Act B.E. 2551 (2008).

 

Seems you are referring to legislation that is no longer extant.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Jesus, this must have been one of the most stupid threads I have read in a long time

 

The Alien Employment Act or whatever replaces it lists out a number of exceptions but you must have a work permit to work in Thailand in any other profession if you (as where your body is) are in Thailand when doing it, internet or otherwise. Then, we have the Thai-effect. No one will care until it becomes really noticeable and anyone can safely go on with internet teaching for now, people will start to get kicked out one day, I don't know if I still will be alive when that happens and I don't think anyone else knows either. Anyone who thinks it is wrong if/when he/she gets kicked out one day is an immoral idiot

 

Anyone who does internet teaching in Thailand should pay tax in Thailand or he/she does not deserve to be here and should leave, it's easy to do also without work permit and taxes are miniscule

 

Michael

 

 

 

Edited by MikeyIdea

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said:

Jesus, this must have been one of the most stupid threads I have read in a long time

 

The Alien Employment Act lists out a number of exceptions but you must have a work permit to work in Thailand in any other profession if you (as where your body is) are in Thailand when doing it, internet or otherwise. Then, we have the Thai-effect. No one will care until it becomes really noticeable and anyone can safely go on with internet teaching for now, people will start to get kicked out one day, I don't know if I still will be alive when that happens and I don't think anyone else knows either

 

Anyone who does internet teaching in Thailand should pay tax in Thailand or he/she does not deserve to be here and should leave, it's easy to do also without work permit and taxes are miniscule

 

Michael

 

 

 

Immigration and the Gov't have repeatedly said they were not interested in digital nomads or online teachers working from home. 

The time may come, like you say, when that is no longer the case. As for taxes...if the $6 billion dollar a year prostitution industry isn't paying any tax why would an online teacher?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, duanebigsby said:

Immigration and the Gov't have repeatedly said they were not interested in digital nomads or online teachers working from home. 

The time may come, like you say, when that is no longer the case. As for taxes...if the $6 billion dollar a year prostitution industry isn't paying any tax why would an online teacher?

Of course I think that anyone who works with internet teaching in Thailand because he/she enjoys living in Thailand should pay tax here or leave

 

That is common sense and has nothing to do with that there are Thai citizens who do not

Edited by MikeyIdea

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, MikeyIdea said:

Of course I think that anyone who works with internet teaching in Thailand because he/she enjoys living in Thailand should pay tax here or leave

 

That is common sense and has nothing to do with that there are Thai citizens who does not

If you try to pay tax here without a work permit it might bite you on the ass. 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

https://www.chiangraitimes.com/17-foreigners-arrested-in-chiang-mai-for-teaching-english-online.html

Does the above article perhaps answer everyone’s questions on the legality of teaching online?

They were teaching from an office, Not from home, but even the teachers with work permits were arrested as their work permits related to teaching at schools not online.

Doing it from home you’re unlikely to get caught, just like you’re unlikely to get caught vaping at home or going out in public with no underwear but it’s illegal and the police can arrest you for it.

As for whether you should do it or not, that slim chance of being caught committing a crime that no one knows about and no one cares about.... it’s a possibility.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I had no idea not wearing underwear was illegal.

 

Simplest way is to become a Thai citizen, which is much easier to do these days, then no work permit is required. If working for an American company, one pays tax there, not here due to a tax treaty.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, pearciderman said:

 

Where were these two teachers working? These are your words, not mine.

 

"On all my time here, I've only ever known of 2 teachers to get done for not having a WP."

 

Posted Saturday at 09:29 AM ·

Answer my question first then I'll explain to you.

 

How many teachers do you know who have been deported for not having a WP? How long have you been teaching here?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Answer my question first then I'll explain to you.

 

How many teachers do you know who have been deported for not having a WP? How long have you been teaching here?

If you refer to the article I posted above, there's an example of 17x teachers being arrested for not having work permits (admittedly for teaching English online rather than at schools though)

Also the below article is an example of schools being raided.  Admittedly, raided looking for "Black people", and it specifies that they were looking for visa violations rather than work permit violations, but you'd still want to be careful, particularly if you're not Caucasian.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/crime-crime/2018/03/23/123-more-foreigners-arrested-in-raids-on-schools-hostels/

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

BANGKOK 23 May 2018 06:12
Sponsors
×