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It's about time that CM get a decent public transportation just like Bangkok.

 

Those unscrupulous red mini-buses overcharge most tourists. I see them asking for 50-100 baht for short travel inside the moat unless you can speak Thai and look like Thai.

 

But 20 baht is still expensive if for short distance. That's the same charge for those red buses who charge locals.

 

Hopefully, this will ease the terrible congestion during peak hours.

 

Every 20 minutes interval is too long.

 

 

 

 

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Let's hope this is reliable enough to attract regular users.  20 baht seems about right - 10 would have been better but maybe too fine a margin to avoid an early and very damaging price increase.  I saw one of the buses the other day and my impression was that it looked a but on the large side for the proposed route. Regulating parking and providing bus lanes would give the system a huge advantage but that's a bit radical for CM.  Still, time will tell and it's definitely a step in the right direction.

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4 hours ago, Greenside said:

Let's hope this is reliable enough to attract regular users.  20 baht seems about right - 10 would have been better but maybe too fine a margin to avoid an early and very damaging price increase.  

It's alright for tourists but not for local Thai. Compared to what the red mini-bus charge tourists.

 

Local Thai people can go from Warorot to Mae Jo for just 15 baht and that is way much longer distance.

 

I think this bus is targeted for tourists as there seem to be many complaints regarding overcharging by taxis who refused to use meter at airports. It seems to start and end at the airport.
 

It doesn't seem to stop at Warorot market though which is too bad because it's one of the main attraction and transportation hub.

 

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21 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Local Thai people can go from Warorot to Mae Jo for just 15 baht and that is way much longer distance.

Farangs, other Asians and really anybody can take that ride for the same price, not just Local Thai people.

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4 hours ago, Greenside said:

Let's hope this is reliable enough to attract regular users.  20 baht seems about right - 10 would have been better but maybe too fine a margin to avoid an early and very damaging price increase.  I saw one of the buses the other day and my impression was that it looked a but on the large side for the proposed route. Regulating parking and providing bus lanes would give the system a huge advantage but that's a bit radical for CM.  Still, time will tell and it's definitely a step in the right direction.

Bus lanes in CM? Good lord, they don't have enough room for the traffic they have now. I spent 20 minutes getting from the airport road overbridge to the Holiday Inn at 3pm today on the old Lamphun road. That should have taken 5 minutes max.

I saw the bus at the airport the other day, and it is too big. It should have been about a Coaster size. If it's like the old service, hardly anyone will use it.

Good try, but a bus that big is just adding to the congestion.

At the least it needs to have bus stops to the side so traffic can get past, but, of course, it's just another show pony and nothing done to make it a success.

There's nothing to stop them starting a songtheaw fixed route service like Pattaya has, but seems to me the C M authorities just don't care if it's chaos out there.

The red songtheaws supposed to cost 30 baht, but try getting one at that price!

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43 minutes ago, EricTh said:

It's alright for tourists but not for local Thai. Compared to what the red mini-bus charge tourists.

 

Local Thai people can go from Warorot to Mae Jo for just 15 baht and that is way much longer distance.

 

I think this bus is targeted for tourists as there seem to be many complaints regarding overcharging by taxis who refused to use meter at airports. It seems to start and end at the airport.
 

It doesn't seem to stop at Warorot market though which is too bad because it's one of the main attraction and transportation hub.

 

Have you seen the bus? It would never get through Wararot market road. They need to demolish Wararot market, which is a disgrace anyway, and build a proper new one and a proper bus terminal with decent road access. Chances of that happening- probably zero.

In fact, they probably need to bite the bullet and widen all the main thoroughfares, as the traffic is becoming impossible. It's beyond the ability of the police to fix, and all they can do is move the deckchairs about as the Titanic ( Chiang Mai ) slowly sinks under the weight of vehicles trying to move on the completely inadequate roads.

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4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Have you seen the bus? It would never get through Wararot market road. They need to demolish Wararot market, which is a disgrace anyway, and build a proper new one and a proper bus terminal with decent road access. Chances of that happening- probably zero.

In fact, they probably need to bite the bullet and widen all the main thoroughfares, as the traffic is becoming impossible. It's beyond the ability of the police to fix, and all they can do is move the deckchairs about as the Titanic ( Chiang Mai ) slowly sinks under the weight of vehicles trying to move on the completely inadequate roads.

 

No, I haven't seen the bus yet. I am saying that it should stop very near Warorot, maybe 3 minutes walk, don't have to go inside Warorot.

 

The road in Nimman is not wide too but it still passes there.

 

Yeah, they should build smaller buses.

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They really need to do more publicity both in English and Chinese for the tourists for these buses.  I don't have a problem with the songthaews, but I can speak enough Thai where they know that I live here and know the landmarks. 

 

But I cringe when I hop on a songthaew at Maya Mall and watch a small group of Chinese tourists thrust their phone onto the driver to indicate where they want to go.  That's a long light and usually the songthaews can fill up with Chinese tourists.  Often one in their group can speak enough English where I can ask where they're going and how much they're being charged.   Usually, they're being ripped off.  I don't say anything, but just smile and nod.  Better than having them on motor scooters. 

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3 hours ago, NancyL said:

 Usually, they're being ripped off.  I don't say anything, but just smile and nod.  Better than having them on motor scooters. 

Agree. There are many of these red cars and tuk-tuk who wait patiently outside Kad Suan Kaew to pounce on Chinese tourists. 

 

I've asked them how much they pay per person and it's a ripoff for such a short distance.

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On ‎4‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 8:05 PM, EricTh said:

 

No, I haven't seen the bus yet. I am saying that it should stop very near Warorot, maybe 3 minutes walk, don't have to go inside Warorot.

 

The road in Nimman is not wide too but it still passes there.

 

Yeah, they should build smaller buses.

I just checked the map, and it could very well stop near the bridge and then go down past the night market before going back to the moat, but realistically, that would be better incorporated in a completely different route.

The main problem I can see is resistance by "vested interests" if it became successful, and the bus is just too big. 

I still think it's unnecessary anyway, as they could just have songtheaws on a regular route at a fixed price like Pattaya does, where it works successfully. I don't understand why that wasn't in place 20 years ago.

What is not in dispute, is that the present system is inefficient, open to overcharging, and does not serve the public well.

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I wouldn't say the bus is too big. Its just a regular sized bus you see in cities all over the world. Having one bus route running clockwise and anti clockwise can only be successful up to a point. A network of bus routes need to be established connecting to each other with transfers so you can get almost anywhere. Catch the bus in Maejo get off at Festival transfer to the Doi Saket bus or the bus that goes to CMU/Zoo etc. Its early days but hopefully CM can join the 20th Century in 2018. How many cities in the world have a bus network of one route?

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33 minutes ago, CNXBKKMAN said:

I wouldn't say the bus is too big. Its just a regular sized bus you see in cities all over the world

Maybe so, but there isn't any room on C M city roads for a regular service full size bus, and probably not enough passengers to make it necessary. The existing service is usually empty.

It's not even necessary, if the council cared enough to have regular routes for red songtheaws.

Pattaya has no big buses and their service with baht buses is excellent.

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Its going to pretty well impossible to run to a schedule.Around school closing and opening times, around the moat and nearby areas, are almost at a standstill.

A 600 year old city with narow roads is just not condusive to ground level transportation of any size.

 

I wouldnt mind if the songteaws were well maintained and followed a set route and didnt further polute the already foul air but thats not going to happen.

The yearly exhaust emission test are obviously avoided and dishonesty is rife unless you are a local

 

Of course they tried to get a bus service going a few years back .Those vehicles are now somewhere in a compound in CM rusting away.

The songteaw mafia saw to that.

 

Ive heard and seen little of the bus link between Ban Tawai and the city .The bus stops are still there but never see anyone waiting for bus.

 

In Bangkok I made use of motor cycle taxis for ,most of my short trips but again they are apparently not allowed within the city of CM

 

There is no easy answer, underground rail would never be financially viable and a light mono rail system would appear is not supported.

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Maybe so, but there isn't any room on C M city roads for a regular service full size bus, and probably not enough passengers to make it necessary. The existing service is usually empty.

It's not even necessary, if the council cared enough to have regular routes for red songtheaws.

Pattaya has no big buses and their service with baht buses is excellent.

Red songtha are just too small and expensive.

 

The government needs to cut down the cost of hiring drivers so that bus fare can be cheaper.

 

A bigger bus will carry more people and more  economical wise.

 

Of course, the  bus must not be too big to block the whole road.

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