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18 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

The issue is not about being caring but about being fully developed. Of course, the legal system here is not as robust as it is in say the UK; the roads here are less safe than in many countries in the West; the education system here is less robust than in the West....and so on. But Thailand is a developing country, did you not understand that before you came here or were you expecting things here would be the same as or better than in the UK, EU or the US? Of course, many things here are worse than in many western countries, why is that such a surprise? I have no problem with saying that Thailand is those things BUT there needs to be some balance in the argument and labelling everyone who points out there are positives as apologists is just lazy, an excuse for not thinking about things. 

 

The legal system here can be corrupt and people can buy their way out of things, that doesn't mean the entire system is corrupt and doesn't work well and robustly, it does for most people. Driving here can be very dangerous, the death toll is very high, that doesn't mean that careful people can't get around easily and safely, they can and they do - I've driven 15k/20k per year here for the past 16 years without an accident! The education system leaves much to be desired in some areas, there's room for improvement. That doesn't mean to say the entire system is useless and doesn't work, it does. The system churns out highly qualified doctors, surgeons, pilots, business people in large numbers, every year.

 

If people like GB want to accuse my position above of being an apologist, my response is they haven't really thought about things or simply don't know, after all, it's easier to bash the entire country than to actually think about matters.

I have been here for quite a few years too, and while I agree with much of what you say about Thailand being a developing nation, one of the main problems that I have encountered, is the unwillingness of the Thai  people to accept that it is a DEVELOPING nation, and are very reluctant to take advice from us "dumb farangs".

 

It is probably down to the old "loss of face" thing where to take advice from a non Thai means admitting to being less knowledgeable, and therefore less intelligent, so they would rather blunder on regardless, and then make suitable excuses afterwards, blaming all and sundry except themselves. Not wanting to stray off topic, but the Koh Tao murders debacle is a clear example of refusing help from more qualified people, and then ending up in the mother of all messes. Another example is thinking that taking away refuse containers because people aren't paying the collection/disposal fee is going to solve the garbage problem!

 

And I must disagree with your statement "The legal system here can be corrupt and people can buy their way out of things, that doesn't mean the entire system is corrupt". A system is either corrupt or it isn't corrupt - it's a bit like saying "it's nearly raining"!

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, sambum said:

I have been here for quite a few years too, and while I agree with much of what you say about Thailand being a developing nation, one of the main problems that I have encountered, is the unwillingness of the Thai  people to accept that it is a DEVELOPING nation, and are very reluctant to take advice from us "dumb farangs".

 

It is probably down to the old "loss of face" thing where to take advice from a non Thai means admitting to being less knowledgeable, and therefore less intelligent, so they would rather blunder on regardless, and then make suitable excuses afterwards, blaming all and sundry except themselves. Not wanting to stray off topic, but the Koh Tao murders debacle is a clear example of refusing help from more qualified people, and then ending up in the mother of all messes. Another example is thinking that taking away refuse containers because people aren't paying the collection/disposal fee is going to solve the garbage problem!

 

And I must disagree with your statement "The legal system here can be corrupt and people can buy their way out of things, that doesn't mean the entire system is corrupt". A system is either corrupt or it isn't corrupt - it's a bit like saying "it's nearly raining"!

 

 

 

What do the Thai people need to take advice about specifically? How to solve a crime properly? I wonder what the ratio is for rich folks serving time vs the same crime commited by poor folks in the west, all other things being equal. I honeslty believe it is just all the same crap. We put on a much better show, and have that lipstick out in full force for every one of our pigs.... but it is all just the same crap. I dont believe anybody is better. In fact, i would argue that there are far worse characters in the west in terms of our bad cops, politicians, gangters etc. Far far worse people... so what do we have to teach? They seem to be doing something right over here if you just look at things from different perspectives. I tell my friends back home i could seriously stumble out of a taxi at 2am dead drunk in the worst neighborhood in bangkok and not a thing would happen. They cant believe that. Try that in the west and it is gonna hurt. 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

What do the Thai people need to take advice about specifically? How to solve a crime properly? I wonder what the ratio is for rich folks serving time vs the same crime commited by poor folks in the west, all other things being equal. I honeslty believe it is just all the same crap. We put on a much better show, and have that lipstick out in full force for every one of our pigs.... but it is all just the same crap. I dont believe anybody is better. In fact, i would argue that there are far worse characters in the west in terms of our bad cops, politicians, gangters etc. Far far worse people... so what do we have to teach? They seem to be doing something right over here if you just look at things from different perspectives. I tell my friends back home i could seriously stumble out of a taxi at 2am dead drunk in the worst neighborhood in bangkok and not a thing would happen. They cant believe that. Try that in the west and it is gonna hurt. 

 

 

"What do the Thai people need to take advice about specifically? How to solve a crime properly?"

 

That would do for starters! And how to fix an incinerator that has been broken for years in spite of money being provided to fix it? How to actually enforce the law instead of letting that law blatantly be broken time and time again  - by Joe Public, and those in authority? Etc etc etc. In the interest of brevity I will say no more.

 

However, from your perspective, if you are OK with all of the above, then you seem to have found your Nirvana, so well done, I am  happy for you, and it would appear that we have nothing further to talk about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, sambum said:

I have been here for quite a few years too, and while I agree with much of what you say about Thailand being a developing nation, one of the main problems that I have encountered, is the unwillingness of the Thai  people to accept that it is a DEVELOPING nation, and are very reluctant to take advice from us "dumb farangs".

 

It is probably down to the old "loss of face" thing where to take advice from a non Thai means admitting to being less knowledgeable, and therefore less intelligent, so they would rather blunder on regardless, and then make suitable excuses afterwards, blaming all and sundry except themselves. Not wanting to stray off topic, but the Koh Tao murders debacle is a clear example of refusing help from more qualified people, and then ending up in the mother of all messes. Another example is thinking that taking away refuse containers because people aren't paying the collection/disposal fee is going to solve the garbage problem!

 

And I must disagree with your statement "The legal system here can be corrupt and people can buy their way out of things, that doesn't mean the entire system is corrupt". A system is either corrupt or it isn't corrupt - it's a bit like saying "it's nearly raining"!

 

 

 

I am remiss of course by suggesting the legal system is or isn't, it's no the system that is or isn't it's the people in the system. So perhaps that section is best reworded to say something along the lines of, the legal system contains a number of corrupt officials. The system itself is based on the UK legal system which is quite robust albeit their is a staffing and scheduling issue when a civil case takes many years to get to trial.

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On 4/10/2018 at 5:49 PM, bluesofa said:

It must be ISP dependent then?

I see the blocked message when I click on the DM link. I'm on AIS Fibre. Surely all ISPs should be consistent?

 

There are inconsistencies with the block.

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