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Tipping in Thailand and other places- is it expected?

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No sir, Like I said, in the west I tip 10% That was a fair deal before, and the evil restaurateurs have manipulated up to 15 and 20%. The ones who are stealing are the bosses in the restaurants by not paying their staff. If it means an increase on the regular bill, so be it. I have no problem letting the free market level the field. If everybody did as I did there would be some action on this thing which everybody knows has gotten off track.  I suppose some people get a kick out of flashing their money and being the the Great Gatsby. There should be nothing wrong with that, but it should not have an impact on my bill.

Another thing which is wrong with the current tip system is that the quality of service required and the amount of work required is similar at restaurants across the board, except for fast food joints. But the waitress at a Denny's is going to be lucky to get 10 bucks a table of 4, when  at the higher end joints, they will serve you a spitter if you fail to drop a couple of 20's for their accumulated 5 minutes of attention. I would say that the massively overpriced menu should actually entitle you some immunity from supporting the welfare of their wait staff.

 

Tips are now a tax and they should be a reward. Time to snuff it out

 

I can’t disagree with you just sayin’, how it be bro. I tip fifteen percent of tab(a minimum) not including tax. If I have a problem with the service I would speak to the manager. Most times your meal will be free or some dishes discounted, very rare but I have done it I will also send back any food not to my satisfication it is always replaced free of charge. Do you get this in Thailand?

I don’t think there should be any tipping at all I like the Japan system. Your Impromptu civil rights protests accomplish nothing. I am very angry about the stories I have read about TGI Friday’s and other big chains where management steals tips from the servers as well even when they were not entitled to it!

 

If you don’t tip in the US you are stealing. Better to get takeout.

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, duanebigsby said:

They DO need the tips to earn a living wage.

Restaurant workers take those jobs because with the low pay plus tips it is a decent paying job.

If there were more customers like you it would be a crap job and they'd leave.

I hate the tipping system, but's that's what there is.

I'd much rather the Aussie system of paying workers a living wage and then having no tipping.

You're just stiffing hard working people.

 

 

The guy  from Canada is just saying he wants as much income and wages as he can manage while paying others as little as possible.

 

Simple premise..

 

 

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Tipping is expected because the wages are very low. If a restaurant has a service charge then I don't tip unless the waitress really helped me somehow. Taxis I tip 100 for a long journey but not for a short journey but I do tip my condo security and staff because it's in my interest to do so.

 

Don't be a jerk you will know when to tip and when not too and saving 100 baht as some sort of 'victory' over the 300 baht a day waitress is not cool. 

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6 hours ago, runamok27 said:

You guys do realize that the wait staff in America has to pay taxes on their tips whether they get them or not, right? It’s based on their total sales during their shift and comes to about 15%. In other words, if they don’t make 15% in tips they pay taxes on money they didn’t get. This doesn’t account for the fact that they also have to tip out the bus boys, the bartender and the runners. Although, if you work in a decent restaurant you should fairly easily make 15%.

Plus restaurants have the right to charge wait staff on dine and dashes.

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4 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

No sir, Like I said, in the west I tip 10% That was a fair deal before, and the evil restaurateurs have manipulated up to 15 and 20%. The ones who are stealing are the bosses in the restaurants by not paying their staff. If it means an increase on the regular bill, so be it. I have no problem letting the free market level the field. If everybody did as I did there would be some action on this thing which everybody knows has gotten off track. 

I suppose some people get a kick out of flashing their money and being the the Great Gatsby. There should be nothing wrong with that, but it should not have an impact on my bill.

Another thing which is wrong with the current tip system is that the quality of service required and the amount of work required is similar at restaurants across the board, except for fast food joints. But the waitress at a Denny's is going to be lucky to get 10 bucks a table of 4, when  at the higher end joints, they will serve you a spitter if you fail to drop a couple of 20's for their accumulated 5 minutes of attention. I would say that the massively overpriced menu should actually entitle you some immunity from supporting the welfare of their wait staff.

 

Tips are now a tax and they should be a reward. Time to snuff it out

I agree 100% and I applaud the new movement where a restaurant will pay really good wages and then put a sign up saying it's a no tipping establishment. It's slowly gaining momentum in US and Canada. But I disagree with people saying they simply won't give a tip while it's still the norm. 

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3 hours ago, torrzent said:

what a load of self-righteous nonsense. 

You are knowingly bucking the cultural norm and screwing the wait staff. Why can't you own up to it at the restaurant?

People here hate National Park dual pricing and refuse to go to the parks. Why don't you refuse going to any restaurant that tipping is normal. You could have done your entire trip eating McDonalds and Burger King where you don't tip.

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In Thailand I have always tipped when I am sure the server is going to be able

to keep the tip, and the resteraunt or bar owner is not going to take it away.

   I enjoy staying in Hua Hin for part of my stay in Thailand, and I tip in a lot  of

different places. Try to remember that the servng staff make a pittance, compared

to our pensions or stocks and bonds and wages. I do.

Geezer

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On 4/20/2018 at 5:06 PM, possum1931 said:

I was going to America with my girlfriend, and was reading a book about it, the book said that you should allow 20% of your spending money for tips.

Well me being be, I never tipped once in the three weeks I was there, and no! I did not use the same restaurant twice, we were traveling.

Couldn't agree more, you were in a fortunate position to get away with it.

When I went to Canada I stayed with my brother that lived there in Montreal. We were in a bar and we were going to leave so I asked how much. I think she said $9.50 so I gave her $10 and turned to walk away. I didn't catch what she said but I heard my brother say I was ignorant and put some money on the counter. We had a bit of an argument outside and ended up going back to his house. My argument was I would be quite happy to pay more if it was on the price list but not happy to pay an amount determined by someone behind the counter. Apparently the girl had taken the 50 cents as an insult.

I had to bite the bullet a few times or we would not have gone out again.

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Is it only America that has the compulsory tipping thing?

 

The staff are paid so little they need tips to survive?  And, then their tips are TAXED?!

 

Well, clearly something needs to change there... the employer is abusing the staff... how can it be law the wages are so low? Also, the customers are being make to feel awkward if they don't tip.. and are pressured into it even if the place is no good for fear of reprisals.  

 

Here I will leave a tip if I go to a farang style restaurant and the service / food is good.  If the food is not good, and the waiter and staff are not friendly or are not attentive when I need something, then I will leave no tip.

 

I won't leave a tip in a normal Thai restaurant or eating at a street stall, because that is just stupid and not expected by anyone.  Only exception is the Thai places I frequent regularly and I am friendly with the owners.. then I will usually let them keep the change. 

 

I once ate at a small Thai shop out in the country.  I paid for our meal.. and there was 10 baht change left.  I left it on the table as a tip.  Walking back to our car the old man owner came running towards up shouting frantically... he got up to us out of breath and handed us the 10 baht coin saying we had forgotten it!   So, its clear to me that these places don't get tips usually lol.  

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3 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Agree with everything in your post.

 

I am at a loss to understand why so many from the USA defend the practice on here instead of petitioning/ lobbying the government to change the law and make service workers have the right to a fair hourly wage. Instead, they berate customers who don't come from this kind of culture for ' stealing the food out of the mouths of service workers '  putting emphasis on that we were wrong and not THEIR system that is at fault. You can't, on the one hand, have a system that you agree is totally out of date, unfair and needs changing and on the other ask us to continuously go along with it.

 

I also recall on any occasions upcountry in Thailand, tips being looked upon as though we were from another planet. I don't do it now, however, I tend to give 20 baht or something to one of the owner's kids that are usually milling around, and this always seems to go down well with the owner of the shop/restaurant.

Actually, if the tipping culture of the USA is your biggest beef with the USA I'll chalk it up as a endorsement. You're welcome to go through the whole process to become a citizen so you can vote. However instances where the voters have voted to raise the minimum wage, such as in Seattle, has proven that the effect is not to create a living wage for restaurant workers but rather to eliminate restaurants and move the workers to the dole.  Only fast food, carry-out and very-high-end places survive. And the culture of tipping is not affected by the increase in the slightest.

 

You're also welcome to simply not visit.

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29 minutes ago, jerry921 said:

Actually, if the tipping culture of the USA is your biggest beef with the USA I'll chalk it up as a endorsement. You're welcome to go through the whole process to become a citizen so you can vote. However instances where the voters have voted to raise the minimum wage, such as in Seattle, has proven that the effect is not to create a living wage for restaurant workers but rather to eliminate restaurants and move the workers to the dole.  Only fast food, carry-out and very-high-end places survive. And the culture of tipping is not affected by the increase in the slightest.

 

You're also welcome to simply not visit.

This is your humble opinion of course.

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2 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

This is your humble opinion of course.

Not just my opinion, actually the seattle info was reported by an independent study. I read a news article a while back. Sorry don't have the link anymore. Try google if you care. By way of full disclosure, the city also paid for a different study that reached the opposite conclusion, as they wanted. Science is for sale these days.

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