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REPORT: Do it Yourself Retirement Visa (Pattaya) Chonburi Immigration

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8 minutes ago, IFinish said:
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Jomtien office only allows App for Extension up to 30 days ahead of visa expiry. 

Just did mine in April.

Congrats & Cheers!

 

 

OK so the polite secretary of the Imm Officer in question was correct in telling me that I can apply only up to 1 month in advance for the extension. Thank you. Seems Chonburri immigration and other local offices have there own policies with varying rules etc.. I am very surprised this female IO up and asked you for 20k THB straight away.

 

Things must have changed because I got my Non-Immigrant "O" for the purpose of retirement for the application fee of 2000THB.

Sucess! NO AGENT... thank you!

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43 minutes ago, IFinish said:
   15 hours ago,  Kohsamida said: 

 BTW, not sure if you know this but you can apply for the extension up to 45 days before your Non-O expires.  Even though you can apply for the extension the same day it expires (wouldn't advise that), the advantage is that you get it done and out of your life.  The extension still starts on the day your Non-O expires so you don't loose any days off of the extension.  Just thought it might be helpful to know that.

Thanks very much for the info. I may elect to take care of it sooner to get it out of the way.

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Jomtien office only allows App for Extension up to 30 days ahead of visa expiry. 

Just did mine in April.

Congrats & Cheers!

 

p.s. I had similar bad experience with IO you mention. She truly is a piece of work!  I tried the conversion route through her and after telling me my document package looked good, she told me i needed to pay her 20k baht to do it! She should be canned, shes obviously corrupt. She is really the only bad IO Ive had to deal with at that office. I think this also explains why she doesnt see many customers each day!

 

 

Thanks for the clarification on lead time in Jomtien.  In Chiang Mai where I currently live it is 45 days.  It's really odd how variable the rules and regulations are between different provincial offices throughout the Kingdom. 

 

Just curious, was it an actual immigration officer who said you needed to pay 20k baht or was it a private visa agent?  If she is a government immigration officer, are you sure it might not have been a misunderstanding (i.e.: language miscommunication)?  

 

I only ask because many private agents charge a fee in that price range to handle a visa conversion, which in itself is on the outrageous side of things, but for a government agent to ask you to pay that would be pretty shameful, not to mention, criminal.

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4 hours ago, Kohsamida said:

Thanks for the clarification on lead time in Jomtien.  In Chiang Mai where I currently live it is 45 days.  It's really odd how variable the rules and regulations are between different provincial offices throughout the Kingdom. 

 

Just curious, was it an actual immigration officer who said you needed to pay 20k baht or was it a private visa agent?  If she is a government immigration officer, are you sure it might not have been a misunderstanding (i.e.: language miscommunication)?  

 

I only ask because many private agents charge a fee in that price range to handle a visa conversion, which in itself is on the outrageous side of things, but for a government agent to ask you to pay that would be pretty shameful, not to mention, criminal.

I understood her to be asking me to pay her (she didnt offer a range of baht to pay but an exact amount and said good for TODAY only). She scribbled up a case on a paper trying to justify that it would be cheaper for me to do that than to go to another country to get a non-o. I was so ensenced at the time, but i bit my lip HARD and just said ill think about it and left, after all, TIT.

 

So i dont think it was any misunderstanding but i really didnt take it far enough to see how she would have actually carried it out. 

 

Corruption exists yes, but ill be damned if im going to contribute to it unless there is no other choice. 

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1 minute ago, IFinish said:

I understood her to be asking me to pay her (she didnt offer a range of baht to pay but an exact amount and said good for TODAY only). She scribbled up a case on a paper trying to justify that it would be cheaper for me to do that than to go to another country to get a non-o. I was so ensenced at the time, but i bit my lip HARD and just said ill think about it and left, after all, TIT.

 

So i dont think it was any misunderstanding but i really didnt take it far enough to see how she would have actually carried it out. 

 

Corruption exists yes, but ill be damned if im going to contribute to it unless there is no other choice. 

Still am not sure; was it an official Immigration officer or a commercial visa agent?

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2 minutes ago, Kohsamida said:

Still am not sure; was it an official Immigration officer or a commercial visa agent?

Reread my comment in my p.s. 

There is only one problem person here.

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17 hours ago, IFinish said:

Reread my comment in my p.s. 

There is only one problem person here.

So did you finally get a Non-Imm "O" from inside Thailand? What finally happened? Do you now reside in Thailand on a Non-Imm "O"?

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12 minutes ago, likerdup1 said:

So did you finally get a Non-Imm "O" from inside Thailand? What finally happened? Do you now reside in Thailand on a Non-Imm "O"?

He said he was successful, as I was also (I am in Chiang Mai).  My question to him was whether the person asking for 20k baht was an official at Immigration of a private Visa agent but I was confused by his answer.  Do you know, by any chance?  Just curious

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On 7/8/2018 at 10:17 AM, Kohsamida said:

He said he was successful, as I was also (I am in Chiang Mai).  My question to him was whether the person asking for 20k baht was an official at Immigration of a private Visa agent but I was confused by his answer.  Do you know, by any chance?  Just curious

Several reported the IO asked for the money directly awhile back, but this was not my experience a year or so ago.  I was outright denied service because their "special rules," at that time (they printed them out - unofficial document), did not allow for income-affidavits to be used to meet the income requirements when married to a Thai. 

 

Agents are a safer way for IOs to get brown-envelopes, given modern recording technology. 

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Update: Yesterday I submitted and received my 365 day extension of permission to stay for the purpose of retirement. So the two step process of

 

1) Submitting an application for and procuring a Non-Immigrant "O" for the purpose of retirement visa and 90 day permission to stay.

2) Submitting an application and being granted an 365 day extension of permission for purpose of retirement

 

IS FINISHED and I did this myself, NO AGENT INVOLVED and with a little attention to detail and asking for help IT IS DONE!

 

I must say my experience at the number 8 desk was much better than the intial experience at the 4 desk for my Visa change.

 

This is the 3rd time I have done this in 6 years. I have returned to my country 3 times for extended periods and let my extension lapse. NEVER AGAIN! This time was TOO DIFFICULT and Thailand keeps changing requirements and procedures. I will continue to extend my permission to stay to AVOID getting the initial NON-Imm "O" which was a hassle this time. I was able to do it but more trouble than before.

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On 6/14/2018 at 4:21 PM, likerdup1 said:

June 7 Thursday : Went to the legal department of Thailand Dept of Consular Affairs at Chang Wattana government facility Bangkok 3rd floor and got the embassy letter certified. (The certification is actually a sticker that is affixed to the back of the letter saying stating that the signature of the US notary is authentic)

Cost: 200 Baht to office, 2 round trips to Bangkok and 2 hours at the legal department. The reason for the two trips? Because I could not get same day service arriving after 9:30am that day. I had to come back on Monday.

To get same day service arrive before 9:30 am, submit your document at the cue and come back between 2:30PM/4:30PM.

Congrats on getting it done!  I have a question about getting your embassy income letter certified or legalized.  Did you have to get it translated into Thai first even though the original is in english?  UJ says it doesn't need to be, but I did email the office to ask that question and they said yes.  But, what are they going to say really? I just wanted to double check with you, and if they accepted yours in english, they should accept mine.  I am going to mail it in instead of messing with Bangkok.

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3 hours ago, jnak said:

I am going to mail it in instead of messing with Bangkok.

I got an MFA Cert on my Embassy income-letter by mail successfully - no translation to Thai.  Although they would not allow me to get the Non-O without paying an agent at that office, they did not mention anything about needing a Thai translation of my letter, which was in English.

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On 7/8/2018 at 10:17 AM, Kohsamida said:

He said he was successful, as I was also (I am in Chiang Mai).  My question to him was whether the person asking for 20k baht was an official at Immigration of a private Visa agent but I was confused by his answer.  Do you know, by any chance?  Just curious

you can convert to a Non O 90 day in Thailand for the purpose of extension - it is not illegal, so I'm not sure what this IO was doing wrong in recommending and agent to do all the "legal" donkey work for you, it is an entirely different matter if they were directing you to an agent to circumvent the rules for e.g. the funds and seasoning of funds in the bank if you couldn't provide yourself

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On 10/17/2018 at 7:41 AM, jnak said:

Congrats on getting it done!  I have a question about getting your embassy income letter certified or legalized.  Did you have to get it translated into Thai first even though the original is in english?  UJ says it doesn't need to be, but I did email the office to ask that question and they said yes.  But, what are they going to say really? I just wanted to double check with you, and if they accepted yours in english, they should accept mine.  I am going to mail it in instead of messing with Bangkok.

No translation to Thai language necessary. You would have seen that as an additional step had that been the case. I would have done it by mail had I known this was an easy option. Hopefully I will never have to get an income letter certified again as unless I am sure I am never coming back to Thailand I will just continue to get the 1 year extension of permission to stay on my original Non-O.

 

I DID NOT USE AN AGENT to do any of the work in procuring my Retirement Visa and 1 year extension of permission to stay on the original Non-O.

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