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Democrat, Pheu Thai, future forward, people's reform heads debate democracy

By Pravit Rojanaphruk, Senior Staff Writer

 

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Clockwise from top left: Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit (Facebook), Chaturon Chaisang (Matichon), Paiboon Nititawan (Naewna) and Abhisit Vejjajiva (Sanook).

 

BANGKOK — Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said Thursday the leaders of the ruling junta should now reveal their ambitions for political office after the promised elections are held.

 

Speaking at a much-anticipated panel on the future of democracy alongside the leaders of three other parties – Pheu Thai, Future Forward and People’s Reform – Abhisit said the junta should make clear its intentions.

 

Full Story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2018/06/14/democrat-pheu-thai-future-forward-peoples-reform-heads-debate-democracy/

 
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Having most of those folks debating "democracy" is kind of like having members of the flat earth society debate how round the earth is. I.e, a non sequitur.

 

 

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Leading players want charter amended after next election

By KAS CHANWANPEN 
THE NATION

 

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From left, Chaturon Chaisang, Thanathorn Juangroonruangkit, Abhisit Vejjajiva, and Paiboon Nititawan – politicians likely to be key players in the next election – yesterday speak at a seminar on Thailand’s future democracy at Thammasat University.

 

Abhisit, Chaturon and Thanathorn see junta’s legacy as barrier to genuine democracy.
 

THE JUNTA-SPONSORED charter, which imposes curbs on politicians, remains the prime target of big political parties who aim to replace it after the election even though it was endorsed in a 2016 national referendum, judging by the comments made at a symposium attended by prominent politicians yesterday.

 

The 2017 Constitution is an obstacle to the development of democracy in Thailand, agreed three politicians at the symposium, while a fourth disagreed. And while the charter has stipulations that make it difficult to amend, the politicians were united in saying that it should be amended and that making changes was feasible if the people desired it.

 

The symposium “Thailand’s Future Democracy: Overcoming Traps and Dreams?”was held yesterday at Thammasat University’s Tha Prachan Campus. 

 

Former Democrat Party prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, former Pheu Thai Party minister Chaturon Chaisang, prominent newcomer and head of Future Forward Party Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit, and pro-junta politician and head of People’s Reform Party Paiboon Nititawan were the speakers.

 

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Abhisit said democratic development was being blocked by several traps – the Constitution, the organic laws, the junta orders and the 250 junta-appointed senators.

 

He said that although the Constitution was already in place and the country was heading towards a poll, the ruling National Council for Peace and Order’s (NCPO) orders were blocking the election road map it had previously created. 

 

And even if the election happened, he said, it remained uncertain how free and fair it would be given the junta’s absolute power. In addition, after the voting the country would be stuck with a Constitution that was not democratic, said Abhisit, and with senators appointed by the junta.

 

Thanathorn, a businessman who recently turned politician and is highly favoured by progressive young people, said the coups that had been repeatedly staged throughout the country’s modern history were traps that had prevented the country from getting anywhere.

 

His Future Forward Party had therefore made it their main agenda to stop that cycle, he said, pledging to restore the people’s faith in the parliamentary system.

 

The party would also bring hope to the country, he said. 

 

“And our party proposes that we find a consensus and strengthen democracy,” Thanathorn added. “To do that, we need a supermajority in the Lower House and then we will amend the Constitution and put it to a referendum.”

 

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Paiboon, who had served in the reform assembly under the coup-installed regime and had been supportive of the NCPO, however expressed scepticism about elections and implied they were not necessary in a democracy. 

 

Reflecting on political conflict and the violence that had broken out since the election of the Thaksin Shinawatra government in 2006, Paiboon questioned whether it was democracy. 

 

With elections, the people only had power for four seconds when in the polling booth, he said. But what came after was corrupt MPs abusing power while citing the people’s mandate, Paiboon added.

 

The current regime was disliked by some people, Paiboon said, but would help fix the problems in democracy.

 

He acknowledged that many people disapproved of the NCPO’s legacy, including the 250 senators who would be around for five years. But, said Paiboon, “[You] have to bear with it for five years and you’ll like it.”

 

In response, Chaturon said that democracy had a checks-and-balances system to deal with corruption. But the process had been blocked by the coups, he said.

 

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Most importantly, the coups and their legacy had destroyed the democracy that had been developing for at least 15 years, during which voters learned to choose parties based on their policies, Chaturon said.

 

The latest coup would leave behind a legacy of the Constitution, reforms and the national strategy, all planned without public participation, he said.

 

“The national strategy will be a trap and it will continue to be a trap for the next 20 years,” Chaturon said. 

 

He proposed that the Constitution be amended. Only fair rules could solve the problems facing the country, including political conflict, he said.

 

Chaturon said it was important that pro-democracy parties made it a point to amend the Constitution. It should be a policy plank that is campaigned on before the election, he said. 

 

Subsequently both the national reform and the 20-year strategy, which could lead to politicians being punished if they refuse to obey them, should also be reviewed, he added.

 

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Though Abhisit agreed that the Constitution was problematic and needed handling, he saw it as perilous to vigorously argue the issue before election day.

 

The public may become sceptical, wondering if the politicians wanted to do that for themselves and not for public interest, he said.

 

Paiboon, meanwhile, reminded everyone that it would not be easy to bring about any amendment to the Constitution. In addition to elected MPs, it also needed to be passed by one-third of the senators and one-fifth of the opposition force, he said.

 

Others, however, said that if the people backed an amendment, it could be achieved.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30347782

 
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The junta watering down anything I doubt it, if anything I can see them imposing more restrictions if anything

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2 hours ago, webfact said:

Though Abhisit agreed that the Constitution was problematic and needed handling, he saw it as perilous to vigorously argue the issue before election day.

a man that knows the Junta well

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9 hours ago, Eligius said:

I am impressed by Thanathorn. He is the first one to speak out in a big way about scrapping the bogus 'Constitution' of 2017.

Which is just why my 27 year old son and his friends so badly want to see a free and fair election containing an intelligent, modern civilian contestant. In their whole lives they have told, but never asked, what they should think. Unfortunately they still dont believe the extreme right/military/nationalistic elite will allow it to happen. 

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32 minutes ago, Lungstib said:

Which is just why my 27 year old son and his friends so badly want to see a free and fair election containing an intelligent, modern civilian contestant. In their whole lives they have told, but never asked, what they should think. Unfortunately they still dont believe the extreme right/military/nationalistic elite will allow it to happen. 

Yes. The hope for Thailand lies with the young. Social media, the Internet, etc. (which the young love) are opening up the world. Thailand will not be able to hold back the tide of progress forever. People like Thanathorn represent the new, forward-thinking face of Thailand. It will take some time - but EVENTUALLY even Thailand will begin to grow up and the Thais will get the democracy that they should have had long, long ago.

 

But it will take a long time, I fear.

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