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In later years, it will be a quiz question:

 

Q: "When was the first time at the World Cup when a referee made the right decision, was told to review it on VAR, and changed his call to the wrong decision."

 

A: Andres Cunha, France v Australia 2018.

 

Surely, as in other sports, there shouldn't be an over-rule unless a clear error is demonstrated, and this one looked decidedly unclear.

 

There was a much clearer incident in Denmark v Peru, where a Danish defender took out one of the Peruvians from behind, which wasn't even reviewed. And why wasn't Samuel Umtiti booked for a deliberate handball?

 

VAR doesn't remove bad decisions, it just changes the responsibility for where the decisions are made.

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2 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

In later years, it will be a quiz question:

 

Q: "When was the first time at the World Cup when a referee made the right decision, was told to review it on VAR, and changed his call to the wrong decision."

 

A: Andres Cunha, France v Australia 2018.

 

Surely, as in other sports, there shouldn't be an over-rule unless a clear error is demonstrated, and this one looked decidedly unclear.

 

There was a much clearer incident in Denmark v Peru, where a Danish defender took out one of the Peruvians from behind, which wasn't even reviewed. And why wasn't Samuel Umtiti booked for a deliberate handball?

 

VAR doesn't remove bad decisions, it just changes the responsibility for where the decisions are made.

No it doesn't, the ultimate decision still lye's with the ref the same as it always has.

 

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4 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

In later years, it will be a quiz question:

 

Q: "When was the first time at the World Cup when a referee made the right decision, was told to review it on VAR, and changed his call to the wrong decision."

 

A: Andres Cunha, France v Australia 2018.

 

Surely, as in other sports, there shouldn't be an over-rule unless a clear error is demonstrated, and this one looked decidedly unclear.

 

There was a much clearer incident in Denmark v Peru, where a Danish defender took out one of the Peruvians from behind, which wasn't even reviewed. And why wasn't Samuel Umtiti booked for a deliberate handball?

 

VAR doesn't remove bad decisions, it just changes the responsibility for where the decisions are made.

In your opinion !

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8 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

In later years, it will be a quiz question:

 

Q: "When was the first time at the World Cup when a referee made the right decision, was told to review it on VAR, and changed his call to the wrong decision."

 

A: Andres Cunha, France v Australia 2018.

 

Surely, as in other sports, there shouldn't be an over-rule unless a clear error is demonstrated, and this one looked decidedly unclear.

 

There was a much clearer incident in Denmark v Peru, where a Danish defender took out one of the Peruvians from behind, which wasn't even reviewed. And why wasn't Samuel Umtiti booked for a deliberate handball?

 

VAR doesn't remove bad decisions, it just changes the responsibility for where the decisions are made.

Yep the French penalty at best should have fallen under the to hard to call category so no penalty. 

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17 minutes ago, alfieconn said:

No it doesn't, the ultimate decision still lye's with the ref the same as it always has.

 

The ultimate decision still lies with the ref, certainly.

 

Technically, though, the locus of responsibility has shifted to somewhere along the straight line joining the ref to the VAR studio.

 

If the VAR dude hadn't intervened, France wouldn't have got a chance at a penalty. And I think almost everyone expected the ref to change his mind, even though it was a contentious call.

 

I don't know whether there is a formal rule in place for the referee to make a decision - as  I mentioned, some sports require a 'clear error' for an overrule.

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7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Hmmm; are all those criticising VAR disgruntled Aussies? Thought so!

 

Don't go down this route cos you will get badly burnt dear chap. ?

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5 hours ago, Sparkles said:

Well only your opinion, as you are entitled to, but if you calculated the number of football pundits, who are paid for their knowledge and unbiased opinions it resulted in a very  mixed reaction. Risden the defender made a very slight touch on the ball .Once sliding on his back he had no control over the direction his legs would take. Griezman made contact with the trailing leg causing him to go to ground.Risden confirmed post match he made a slight contact with the ball.

 

The referee was in an excellent position to make a judgement resulting in him playing on.We don't know whether he got a message through his earphone to look at the VAR.To be a penalty the referee must be 100% sure, the VAR apparently convinced him .I dont have a problem with that if he didnt have a clear view of the incident at the time but he did.

 

As Jellydog pointed out the foul on Pavon in the Iceland game was not even reviewed so we get back to inconsistency which VAR was suposed to solve.

 

Australia, a team that is regarded with some scorn by many, deserved a point .France were poor IMO. The CB's for Australia were outstanding,Mooy was voted by many as MOM.I know the 10,000 Australians that made the trip were pretty shattered but would be very proud of their teams effort.

 

Mooy...my wife and kids giggle every time they hear his name.

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2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

VAR proving its worth in the Korea/Sweden game just finished.

Totally agree but the luddites will never yield. ?

 

The ref had waved that on, as he didn't see the touch and without VAR, the right decision wouldn't have been made. 

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15 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

Totally agree but the luddites will never yield. ?

 

The ref had waved that on, as he didn't see the touch and without VAR, the right decision wouldn't have been made. 

your very biased v.a.r. views                        will come back and bite your backside   big time.  just a  matter of time 

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VAR enjoys largely positive World Cup debut to confound football’s luddites

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/18/video-assistant-referees-world-cup-

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I'm astonished neither of the Kane incidents were reviewed....incomprehensible really and shows the total lack of consistency being applied.

 

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