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Jonathan Fairfield

Queuing system via smart phone set to make immigration matters in Chonburi easier

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4 minutes ago, fimo said:

As I wrote before about the mariage visa extension, there is only 2 papers that you can't give online: the bank letter and bank statment from the same day of application.

So I'm positive, I really think that for this extension you'll only need to bring the bank's papers.

There is a directory under marriage visa "if having funds deposited" 

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1 minute ago, Peterw42 said:

There is a directory under marriage visa "if having funds deposited" 

If you have a > 400,000 "funds deposited" (you cant touch that money) then you are OK you can send your documents.

If you have > 400,000 on a "save account" that you are using everyday then bring the letter from the bank + 0day bank statment.

 

But you are right, untill now "funds deposited" were not accepted in Jomtien ? Do they plan to harmonize the rules in every immigration offices ? Will we still need in Jomtien to bring a thai witness when you dont have kids ? (that's another specific demand from Jomtien)

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I strongly suspect that this program is designed as a "pre-screening" app to cut down on the number of people that show up without the proper paperwork (which happens all the time). You will submit electronic copies as per the checklist provided and someone checks them.

If everything is OK, you will be given a date, time and "queue" number for Immigration, where you will be expected to show up with all those same papers, printed out and signed. Someone will verify them and take your passport and tell you to come back the next day to pick it up.
Perhaps it will run like the "Fast Track" lines at the Airports, where electronically scanned (and approved) people go to a separate desk with all their paperwork.
 

They are not likely to suddenly give up on the requirement to have every application and every photocopy signed by the applicant and will no doubt still require the Bank Letter as well as the copies of the updated bank book page (or other proof of funds).

Will be interesting to hear from the first people to trial this new system. I just did my Extension a couple weeks ago so I've got another 11 months before I have to worry about it again. Maybe it will still be working then !

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Note that under the "Retirement" option, the checklist asks for "Receipt of Residence Notification".

Yes, that is the TM.30 they are referring to, not the "90 Day" report slip and not a "Certificate of Residence".

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

I strongly suspect that this program is designed as a "pre-screening" app to cut down on the number of people that show up without the proper paperwork (which happens all the time). You will submit electronic copies as per the checklist provided and someone checks them.

If everything is OK, you will be given a date, time and "queue" number for Immigration, where you will be expected to show up with all those same papers, printed out and signed. Someone will verify them and take your passport and tell you to come back the next day to pick it up.
Perhaps it will run like the "Fast Track" lines at the Airports, where electronically scanned (and approved) people go to a separate desk with all their paperwork.
 

They are not likely to suddenly give up on the requirement to have every application and every photocopy signed by the applicant and will no doubt still require the Bank Letter as well as the copies of the updated bank book page (or other proof of funds).

Will be interesting to hear from the first people to trial this new system. I just did my Extension a couple weeks ago so I've got another 11 months before I have to worry about it again. Maybe it will still be working then !

Unfortunately, I suspect you are right

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15 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Note that under the "Retirement" option, the checklist asks for "Receipt of Residence Notification".

Yes, that is the TM.30 they are referring to, not the "90 Day" report slip and not a "Certificate of Residence".

3 months ago I asked to immigration if I needed a TM30. I live with my wife in our house (Tabian Baan at her name). The officer's answer (at Jomtien)  was "no" but I've read on thaivisa that other immigration office in Thailand were asking for that TM30/31.

That also has to cleared if there is an "harmonization" ?

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That APP could also get rid of that useless TM30: why would you need to fill a TM30 if immigration can check with your GPS location that you are staying at your registered adress ?

That APP has a lot of potential if immigration uses it well.

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8 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Note that under the "Retirement" option, the checklist asks for "Receipt of Residence Notification".

Yes, that is the TM.30 they are referring to, not the "90 Day" report slip and not a "Certificate of Residence".

 

 

So a visit to immigration to get a document you can photograph and send online, to save you a trip to immigration.

 

3 minutes ago, fimo said:

That APP could also get rid of that useless TM30: what would you need to fill a TM30 if immigration can check with your GPS location that you are staying at your registered adress ?

That APP has a lot of potential if immigration uses it well.

What if they check your location using GPS and it shows 3rd bar from the end soi 6. Good in theory but how would the app know when you are at home or on what floor of a 20 floor condo block.

I get your point though, the technology is there and could be easily incorporated.

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4 hours ago, micmichd said:

Should be possible to get report about my personal data that are already in their system, and then - if nothing has changed - simply press the "no changes" button to get a receipt that my extension is done now.


No, Sir, regretfully not as the system seems to clearly geared to create lots of jobs of limited abilities. A "no change" button would be counter-productive in that sense! 

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1 minute ago, Peterw42 said:

What if they check your location using GPS and it shows 3rd bar from the end soi 6.

During the 90 days notification, during you breakfast every 3 months, turn on the APP and click "same adress", easy ?

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This is NOT replacing the current system.

Sheesh.


It appears that they think this app will make life easier for those trying to extend their Visas (note it does not say "extend their stay"), possibly by having a separate desk for those who are able to complete and submit their paperwork electronically (i.e. like a Fast Track system).
Nowhere does it say that this is replacing the current system or that you will have to buy a smart phone if you want to extend your stay in Thailand.

 

You will still be able to show up at Immigration, complete with your missing/unfilled/unsigned paperwork like normal, get your normal queue number and then go to whichever desk you feel like and try to get them to do all the work for you, like people currently do (seemingly) on a daily basis. (Or maybe it only happens on the days I'm there, by sheer coincidence.)

 

However, some people may be able to take advantage of this system, if they are able to download/copy/scan the right paperwork and submit it through this app and if it is approved they may be able to jump the line (or go through a different line altogether) instead of having to wait behind all those people that pretend they don't know what is going on in the hopes someone else will do all the work for them.

Which would make life easier for a lot of the people that have to "extend their Visas" every year.

This would also (possibly) make life easier for those that show up with just their passports and try to do everything at the desk (after their number has been called) as there would likely be fewer people in line (before and after) so the staff will be in a better mood when they tell you to come back again when you have all the paperwork done properly !

Then again, maybe those that submit all their paperwork electronically and are approved will still end up sitting in a queue (behind 20 people that haven't done their paperwork) and still have an IO go through everything from scratch, top to bottom before taking your passport and telling you to come back the next day (meaning you'll have saved absolutely no time at all any ways).


Hard to say as the original article and the Chon Buri Immigration website don't provide a lot of details.

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2 hours ago, fimo said:

That APP could also get rid of that useless TM30: why would you need to fill a TM30 if immigration can check with your GPS location that you are staying at your registered adress ?

That APP has a lot of potential if immigration uses it well.

They know your phone's location. But your's?

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Very stupid idea,,, A lot of people including Me use a phone for phone calls Nothing else, Not Paying for internet on phone just to use for crap like this,,, My  Phone is to small to use properly for that kind of stuff   I have a Small  smart phone so can't use it for that, Fingers are too big.

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3 hours ago, Kerryd said:

I strongly suspect that this program is designed as a "pre-screening" app to cut down on the number of people that show up without the proper paperwork (which happens all the time). You will submit electronic copies as per the checklist provided and someone checks them.

If everything is OK, you will be given a date, time and "queue" number for Immigration, where you will be expected to show up with all those same papers, printed out and signed. Someone will verify them and take your passport and tell you to come back the next day to pick it up.

Exactly how I suspect the program will work.

 

However, optimism does spring eternal for some other folks who think this will wipe out stacks of paperwork and generations of bureaucratic mindset and tradition.  :whistling:

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