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#DontTellMeHowToDress, Thai women say

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There is no doubt that a woman, or anyone, has the right to wear whatever they want without being raped or sexually abused. However, remember that, biologically, when men see a lot of "skin" an attractive woman is exposing, their mind shift gears.  Why? Because one of the root forces of human survival is reproduction. That "force" is elevated when an attractive and sexy woman exposes her body. Smart women are selective about when they expose their skin and female features. Ask yourself - do you want a bunch of "roosters" chasing you in a "sausage fest", or do you want to be attractive to only one person you are attracted to?  Your internal answer to that question will tell you how to appropriately dress.   

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Women around the world should be able to dress as they chose without worry of some jerk

getting so excited that they feel they have the right to rape. Any rapist who gets caught, should

at least lose one of his nuts, besides going to jail for a long time. Just my opinion of how

rapists get treated.

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1 hour ago, RickTik said:

There is no doubt that a woman, or anyone, has the right to wear whatever they want without being raped or sexually abused. However, remember that, biologically, when men see a lot of "skin" an attractive woman is exposing, their mind shift gears.  Why? Because one of the root forces of human survival is reproduction. That "force" is elevated when an attractive and sexy woman exposes her body. Smart women are selective about when they expose their skin and female features. Ask yourself - do you want a bunch of "roosters" chasing you in a "sausage fest", or do you want to be attractive to only one person you are attracted to?  Your internal answer to that question will tell you how to appropriately dress.   

The lunatics have taken over the asylum 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum, take away my right to choose 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum, take away my point of view 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum, take away my dignity 
Take these things away from me 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum, take away my family
Take away the right to speak 
The lunatics have taken over the asylum take away my point of view 
Take away my right to choose

 

Fun Boy Three

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16 hours ago, impulse said:

What's next?  #donttellmenottowearmybling? 

 

Because I have every right to wear my Mr T wannabe kit anywhere I want, and anyone who would steal it from me is in the wrong, not me for wearing it out on the walking street drunk at 3:00 AM.

 

Like it or not, certain behaviors put us at increased risk of being victimized.  Like wearing bling on Walking Street at 03:00, leaving the car running while inside the 7/11, walking around with $100 bills hanging out of our pockets, and (sadly) dressing provocatively.  In every case, the perpetrator is absolutely wrong. 

 

But if you want to reduce your risk of being a victim, avoid behaviors that increase those risks.

Better to be able to defend yourself. 

In case you need help, don't cry "help" - cry "fire!" instead. 

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14 hours ago, Bluespunk said:
14 hours ago, cyberfarang said:

You`re deviating from the subject and just to remind you: Don`t Tell Me How To Dress, Thai women say.

 

This is about women dressing sensibly and maybe not bringing unwanted attentions upon them. Now I`m waiting for the question; well, what is dressing sensibly? I`ll answer before being asked; it`s using common sense.

Women are free to dress as they will. 

 

The way women dress is not the cause of rape. 

 

The cause of rape is rapist scum. 

 

And the cause of pickpocketing isn't tourists walking around with $100 bills hanging out of their pockets.  It's thieving scum.  And since we can't rid the world of thieving scum (or rapist scum), I'm going to suggest it's prudent to reduce our attractiveness to them- thieves and rapists.  Being what they are, they're still going to victimize someone.  I can only lower the odds that it will be me or my loved ones.

 

You can obviously advise your loved ones any way you want. 

 

But I'm going to suggest to any of my loved ones visiting Thailand that they don't walk around with $100 bills hanging out of their pockets.  And that my nieces dress conservatively, especially in areas known for alcohol and debauchery.  To lower their odds of becoming the victims of scum.  Yeah, it's not fair.  But that's the world we live in.

 

I can't imagine anyone suggesting to their daughter or niece- "You go girl, wear that sexy thing to go drinking out on the town tonight.  Because it's your right."

 

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2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

And the cause of pickpocketing isn't tourists walking around with $100 bills hanging out of their pockets.  It's thieving scum.  And since we can't rid the world of thieving scum (or rapist scum), I'm going to suggest it's prudent to reduce our attractiveness to them- thieves and rapists.  Being what they are, they're still going to victimize someone.  I can only lower the odds that it will be me or my loved ones.

 

You can obviously advise your loved ones any way you want. 

 

But I'm going to suggest to any of my loved ones visiting Thailand that they don't walk around with $100 bills hanging out of their pockets.  And that my nieces dress conservatively, especially in areas known for alcohol and debauchery.  To lower their odds of becoming the victims of scum.  Yeah, it's not fair.  But that's the world we live in.

 

I can't imagine anyone suggesting to their daughter or niece- "You go girl, wear that sexy thing to go drinking out on the town tonight.  Because it's your right."

 

The only cause of rape is rapist scum who rape.

 

Nothing else can be blamed.

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There are sociopaths in many countries and in many institutions. These people are sick. 

 

My wife just revealed to me that one of her relatives attempted to touch her. Her sister was also targeted. Just recently a person was checking the house of a 13 year old daughter of her sister. Seeing how the guys talk and how they act, considering the losing face culture and the patriarchy here, I have no doubt that it is an endemic problem. She also confirm there are many stories with monks and boys as well as katoys. Btw, none of the people assaulted complained or told their parents.

 

There are many people who have a vested interest in keeping the status quo.

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5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 I can't imagine anyone suggesting to their daughter or niece- "You go girl, wear that sexy thing to go drinking out on the town tonight.  Because it's your right."

 

You do know that most rapes are committed when the woman is walking home from work or actually at home in bed? 

 

Myth: Women are most likely to be raped after dark by a stranger, so women shouldn't go out alone at night.

 

FactOnly around 10% of rapes are committed by 'strangers'. Around 90% of rapes are committed by known men, and often by someone who the survivor has previously trusted or even loved. People are raped in their homes, their workplaces and other settings where they have previously felt safe. Rapists can be friends, colleagues, clients, neighbours, family members, partners or exes. Risk of rape shouldn't be used as an excuse to control women's movements and restrict their rights and freedom.

 

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8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The only cause of rape is rapist scum who rape.

 

Nothing else can be blamed.

 

On that, we agree.  Just like the only cause for malaria and dengue is a parasite, carried by mosquitoes.

 

We'll never wipe out the mosquitoes, so isn't it prudent to take steps to reduce the odds that we'll be the ones who get bit?

 

I'm always amazed at the guys who wouldn't dream of leaving their keys in the car, leaving their front and rear doors open while they sleep, wear pounds of gold out on the town, or walk around with $100 bills hanging out of each pocket.  All of those are God-given rights in a free society, and all are foolish acts that increase the odds of becoming a victim.  Yet, the same guys don't see the wisdom in suggesting that women take precautions to reduce their risk of being the one victimized tonight.

 

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Just now, impulse said:

 

On that, we agree.  Just like the only cause for malaria and dengue is a parasite, carried by mosquitoes.

 

We'll never wipe out the mosquitoes, so isn't it prudent to take steps to reduce the odds that we'll the ones who get bit?

 

I'm always amazed at the guys who wouldn't dream of leaving their keys in the car, leaving their front and rear doors open while they sleep, wear pounds of gold out on the town, or walk around with $100 bills hanging out of each pocket.  All of those are God-given rights in a free society, and all are foolish acts that increase the odds of becoming a victim.  Yet, the same guys don't see the wisdom in suggesting that women take precautions to reduce their risk of being the one victimized tonight.

 

Read my post #62.

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1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

On that, we agree.  Just like the only cause for malaria and dengue is a parasite, carried by mosquitoes.

 

We'll never wipe out the mosquitoes, so isn't it prudent to take steps to reduce the odds that we'll be the ones who get bit?

 

I'm always amazed at the guys who wouldn't dream of leaving their keys in the car, leaving their front and rear doors open while they sleep, wear pounds of gold out on the town, or walk around with $100 bills hanging out of each pocket.  All of those are God-given rights in a free society, and all are foolish acts that increase the odds of becoming a victim.  Yet, the same guys don't see the wisdom in suggesting that women take precautions to reduce their risk of being the one victimized tonight.

 

What I'm suggesting, is we don't blame the victims of the filth who rape.

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2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

What I'm suggesting, is we don't blame the victims of the filth who rape.

  

I'd agree if, as reported in the OP, it's blaming the victim.  As another poster suggested, I'm hoping that's a translation problem.

 

But after every accident and close call we have on the job, we do a "lessons learned" exercise the figure out what happened, why it happened and what the various parties did to increase or decrease the odds, and increase or mitigate the effects.  That requires some soul searching and often some uncomfortable admissions.  Otherwise, nothing is learned.

 

I reject the possibility that we're all just random prey and that nothing we do affects our safety and the odds of being a victim.  On any given night, 99.9+% of women weren't raped.  It's impossible to rid the world of rapists.  So the question becomes, how can a woman increase the odds she'll be in the safe 99.9% and not a victim.  I'd contend that the way they dress and behave affects those odds.

 

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2 minutes ago, impulse said:

  

I'd agree if, as reported in the OP, it's blaming the victim.  As another poster suggested, I'm hoping that's a translation problem.

 

But after every accident and close call we have on the job, we do a "lessons learned" exercise the figure out what happened, why it happened and what the various parties did to increase or decrease the odds, and increase or mitigate the effects.  That requires some soul searching and often some uncomfortable admissions.  Otherwise, nothing is learned.

 

I reject the possibility that we're all just random prey and that nothing we do affects our safety and the odds of being a victim.  On any given night, 99.9+% of women weren't raped.  It's impossible to rid the world of rapists.  So the question becomes, how can a woman increase the odds she'll be in the safe 99.9% and not a victim.  I'd contend that the way they dress and behave affects those odds.

 

You seem to be deliberately ignoring this, so read it and be informed.

 

Myth: Women are most likely to be raped after dark by a stranger, so women shouldn't go out alone at night.

 

FactOnly around 10% of rapes are committed by 'strangers'. Around 90% of rapes are committed by known men, and often by someone who the survivor has previously trusted or even loved. People are raped in their homes, their workplaces and other settings where they have previously felt safe. Rapists can be friends, colleagues, clients, neighbours, family members, partners or exes. Risk of rape shouldn't be used as an excuse to control women's movements and restrict their rights and freedom.

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3 minutes ago, impulse said:

  

I'd agree if, as reported in the OP, it's blaming the victim.  As another poster suggested, I'm hoping that's a translation problem.

 

But after every accident and close call we have on the job, we do a "lessons learned" exercise the figure out what happened, why it happened and what the various parties did to increase or decrease the odds, and increase or mitigate the effects.  That requires some soul searching and often some uncomfortable admissions.  Otherwise, nothing is learned.

 

I reject the possibility that we're all just random prey and that nothing we do affects our safety and the odds of being a victim.  On any given night, 99.9+% of women weren't raped.  It's impossible to rid the world of rapists.  So the question becomes, how can a woman increase the odds she'll be in the safe 99.9% and not a victim.  I'd contend that the way they dress and behave affects those odds.

 

My comments have been aimed at posters blaming the victims for how they dress, not the OP.

 

I reject any and all forms of victim blaming.

 

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