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On ‎7‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 6:34 PM, Swiss1960 said:

Rossi did not race his go-cart / bike on the streets, weaving in and out of lanes and he did not have 1-3 other, younger school kids on the bike either.. and Rossi DID wear racing clothes and s helmet - all of which can NOT be said of the dozens of kids on bikes that I see every morning when bringing my daughter to school

"Rossi did not race his go-cart / bike on the streets, weaving in and out of lanes.." 

Really? How do you know that?

 

"...and he did not have 1-3 other, younger school kids on the bike either.." 

Really? How do you know that?

 

"...and Rossi DID wear racing clothes and s helmet...!

Really? How do you know that?

 

Regardless, you really missed the point of the OP, didn't you?

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On ‎7‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 6:13 PM, starky said:

OK. I know being a foreign based forum it's easy to bash Thais and the biggest I find, generally speaking, are Thais are stupid, Thais can't drive and kids riding motorbikes. I could argue all day about the first and second but this thread is about the third. My mates and I were all riding peewee 50's and better as soon as our feet could hold a bike up.  Guys like Rossi were RACING ( yeah I'll shout it) go-karts and mini-moto when they were 9 or 10 years old. That's a worldwide competitive sport. So I don't know what sort of cotton wool, squarehead, sheltered existence most of you whingers grew up in but children riding motos isn't exclusive to Thailand and in a country where the moto is probably the most expensive transport most families will ever own why the <deleted> boo hoo sooky stories about kids on motorcycles? It's like swimming the sooner you learn the better you are. Have at it.

Thing is, starky, the massive majority of Thaivisa posters are the personification of perfection in all aspects of life and therefore they are all entitled to have a go at any Thai person or Thai event (in their feeble minds, anyway).  They also do not understand the concept of hypocrisy.

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Evolution of culture and social thinking across 1 or 2 generations, is fun and interesting, and also demonstrates the power of group think and conformity relative to constant messaging and government propaganda - usually called "campaigns" or, in Thailand, "crack downs"!  😄

 

Thinking of the current state of play here in Thailand.....  when I was growing up in Murica, in broad stoke hindsight, there wasn't a prevalent culture of safety either. 

 

Marketing to the American masses by the car industry, and thus shaping of public desires and opinion, wasn't about fancy safety features and fuel efficiency.  

 

I was never told that riding in the back of an open pick up truck was an egregious safety issue.   I do recall my Uncle once told me that his camper shell (Carry Boy) on the back would "protect" us in the unlikely event his other adage didn't hold true...... that he drove better when drunk, and drunk better when he drove.

 

Motorcycle helmets?  Pfffft!  Wind through the hair, baby!   Remember hearing pissed off bikers say they would quit riding if the gubmint forced them to wear a stupid brain bucket.

 

Seat belts were a pain in the ass, literally, so they were typically stuffed down between the seat cushions, especially in the back seat.  I think it was my Grandfather who explained that rear seat belts weren't really necessary because the backs of the front seats would prevent forward momentum in the very unlikely event of hard braking.  I nodded my then 8-year old head in understanding and complete agreement.

 

Sounds outrageously ignorant in 2018, after decades of messaging and safety propaganda from the government, education and life experience in a more "modern" era than the previous generation.   If you get in a car in the US now and don't automatically fasten your seat belt, they look at you like you're from Mars.  My Grandfather would probably snort at them, if he was still alive. 

 

I think my grandfather was reincarnated into a 70 year old Thai country gent who once got into the back of our SUV here.  I had to suggest he buckle up, and he looked at ME like EYE was the one from Mars!   The wife followed up in Thai and from the back seat l heard, "Ooooh!  Chai, chai, ok, Sah-tafe-tee Goood" + big toothless grin and a thumbs up.

 

I'm pretty sure he, being my reincarnated grandfather, was thinking to himself:

 

"Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, silly farang and his over-the-top Elf and Sah-Tafe-Tee" nonsense!   Every people know already, no need seat belt in back seat!  Pffffttt!"  :clap2:

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17 hours ago, seajae said:

yep I sure do, every morning when I turn on my computer and see your mutts face on your posts. You want to give an opinion and then when people disagree with you, you get p*ssed, I really feel sorry for you, must not be easy lacking a decent education and having the ability to think rationally but dont worry I am sure you will grow up one day. Let me know if you need another dummy to spit, have a good one

Your the one dummy spitting goose and hoping I see my children dead in a morgue and as for the rest I won't comment as you know zero about me.

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20 hours ago, jackdd said:

The main reason for not having a discussion is that you have your view on this topic, and everybody else has another view. Your only argument is "It's like swimming the sooner you learn the better you are" and somebody else explained already why this argument doesn't make sense. Now you are complaining because nobody here shares your view and provides arguments for your view to have a discussion? Any other argument from you why people here should appreciate children driving motorbikes on public roads?

No basically like always most decided what I meant without reading the OP and making their own interpretation.

Quite happy with people to disagree with my opinion. Actually I don't think everyone disagrees with my view and yes I'm happy with children who are competent, have been well trained and are wearing appropriate safety gear to ride on public roads. Haven't complained once unlike yourself, also "it's like swimming" isn't an argument it's an example of how the longer you do something and the earlier you learn how to do it correctly, generally, will be an indication of your skill level. Feel free however to continue to tell me what I think and what I have said and twist my opinions to fit yours accordingly.  Cheers. Feel free to throw in an "everybody" because of course you are right and I am wrong.

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Seems like almost all the replies have riled you to some degree, perhaps your post was not as clear as you thought it was. Maybe rewrite it in the most simple of terms that we, the ignorant masses, can have no excuse to misinterpret it's context......

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4 minutes ago, Anythingleft? said:

Seems like almost all the replies have riled you to some degree, perhaps your post was not as clear as you thought it was. Maybe rewrite it in the most simple of terms that we, the ignorant masses, can have no excuse to misinterpret it's context......

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Fair play even with the offhand I think I'm better than everybody else crack. So just for your benefit...

   In Thailand I have no issue with children learning to ride motorcycles if they are taught correctly, wear correct safety gear, ride responsibly and it increases their confidence and ability to ride on the roads in a country where that is probably the only transport they will ever be able to afford to purchase... 

 How's that?

 

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Fair play even with the offhand I think I'm better than everybody else crack. So just for your benefit...

   In Thailand I have no issue with children learning to ride motorcycles if they are taught correctly, wear correct safety gear, ride responsibly and it increases their confidence and ability to ride on the roads in a country where that is probably the only transport they will ever be able to afford to purchase... 

 How's that?

 

Magic, I dont believe that there is a single person out there that would disagree with that......

It wasn't a crack either, just that your post is most definitely not clear. None of what you just posted is defined in the OP....

 

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Posted (edited)

Some 1998 - 2003 figures showed the fatality rate of 15 - 19 years/ 20 - 24 years/25 - 30 years all around 7x that of the 10 - 14 years olds

 

Age/legality - hogwash from people who complain without sound basis

 

To complain that children are in more danger than anyone else when in a vehicle without a seatbelt, or on a motorsi without a helmet, is using the children factor in an attempt to highlight an issue that is prevalent inThai society way beyond the school children.

 

My son is 12 he can drive better than me, he has been travelling on a motorsi to school since the age of 3,now he is learning to ride, solo, with a helmet, but still occasionally does a short journey without, so not quite there yet. My older daughter currently rides to school, again a better rider than me, wears a helmet.

Currently neither of them drink, or speed, for now I feel they are safe excepting the idiots in other vehicles. But then, from drunk drivers/speeding drivers/incorrectly maintained vehicles/ pure selfish ignorance, we are all at risk!!

 

So give us break on the school children dialogue it's a very small part of the issue, if one cares to investigate the accident/fatality vs age ratio

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1 hour ago, Anythingleft? said:

Magic, I dont believe that there is a single person out there that would disagree with that......

It wasn't a crack either, just that your post is most definitely not clear. None of what you just posted is defined in the OP....

 

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Love a reasonable debate with an intelligent person that doesn't degrade into aggressive crap. You are also correct, I won't ever put my hand up to baiting but my OP could have been perceived as controversial and maybe a little cheeky but the perceived bias came from those only that wished to see it.

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1 hour ago, 473geo said:

Some 1998 - 2003 figures showed the fatality rate of 15 - 19 years/ 20 - 24 years/25 - 30 years all around 7x that of the 10 - 14 years olds

 

Age/legality - hogwash from people who complain without sound basis

 

To complain that children are in more danger than anyone else when in a vehicle without a seatbelt, or on a motorsi without a helmet, is using the children factor in an attempt to highlight an issue that is prevalent inThai society way beyond the school children.

 

My son is 12 he can drive better than me, he has been travelling on a motorsi to school since the age of 3,now he is learning to ride, solo, with a helmet, but still occasionally does a short journey without, so not quite there yet. My older daughter currently rides to school, again a better rider than me, wears a helmet.

Currently neither of them drink, or speed, for now I feel they are safe excepting the idiots in other vehicles. But then, from drunk drivers/speeding drivers/incorrectly maintained vehicles/ pure selfish ignorance, we are all at risk!!

 

So give us break on the school children dialogue it's a very small part of the issue, if one cares to investigate the accident/fatality vs age ratio

But but but Thai children are irresponsible idiots who race 3 up on the streets like their drunkard, lazy fathers and neglectful mothers who don't care about where their children stay or what they do...right?

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13 minutes ago, starky said:

But but but Thai children are irresponsible idiots who race 3 up on the streets like their drunkard, lazy fathers and neglectful mothers who don't care about where their children stay or what they do...right?

Well let us not gloss over the fact that your observation may well be partially true. The world is not perfect, just a matter of keeping the downside in context.

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  On 7/14/2018 at 2:30 AM, seajae said:

yep I sure do, every morning when I turn on my computer and see your mutts face on your posts. You want to give an opinion and then when people disagree with you, you get p*ssed, I really feel sorry for you, must not be easy lacking a decent education and having the ability to think rationally but dont worry I am sure you will grow up one day. Let me know if you need another dummy to spit, have a good one

14 hours ago, starky said:

Your the one dummy spitting goose and hoping I see my children dead in a morgue and as for the rest I won't comment as you know zero about me.

Love your work Starkey 👍😁  

 

Notice how 'they' always demean others by doubting their education and morals, when in fact it is always 'them' that lack intelligence and morals.

There is a common thread amongst them all - a liberal/biased education that results in dogmatic thinking and a lack of common sense.

There is an old school phrase that sums them up : "cant see the forest for the trees".  

There is also a new school one too:  "has the vision and mental focus of a goldfish".

 

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23 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

  On 7/14/2018 at 2:30 AM, seajae said:

yep I sure do, every morning when I turn on my computer and see your mutts face on your posts. You want to give an opinion and then when people disagree with you, you get p*ssed, I really feel sorry for you, must not be easy lacking a decent education and having the ability to think rationally but dont worry I am sure you will grow up one day. Let me know if you need another dummy to spit, have a good one

Love your work Starkey 👍😁  

 

Notice how 'they' always demean others by doubting their education and morals, when in fact it is always 'them' that lack intelligence and morals.

There is a common thread amongst them all - a liberal/biased education that results in dogmatic thinking and a lack of common sense.

There is an old school phrase that sums them up : "cant see the forest for the trees".  

There is also a new school one too:  "has the vision and mental focus of a goldfish".

 

Who is "them" and "they"?

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