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BANGKOK 16 November 2018 04:17
CardSenseJimmyBond

Removing an old spirit house

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I know that some people might think I am wrong for wanting to do so but, having bought a second-hand house, I want to remove the faded,  dilapidated spirit house in the garden. 

 

I don't begrudge other people for having them but, without wanting to sound arrogant, they aren't for me.  I wouldn't want a Christian, Taoist, or likewise monument either.  I don't believe in luck or fate, so have (again, with respect) no interest in whether a ghost has a problem with removing it.  I am also aware people might be displeased by it; however, I strongly believe in individual choice, without enforcing it on others.

 

I know some people feel one should keep the old one and put a new spirit house up to join it- obviously I would not see this as a solution!  I am after practical advice of how, or where, to dispose of it. Can it be easily donated to someone who would want it? 

 

From googling, it seems you can't just throw them away; you can ask a temple to take them, which may involve a complex ceremony which I would prefer to avoid. Does anyone have any experience of this?  

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There's an open field near where I live and as they do, Thais use it as an unofficial middle of the night dump site to avoid paying a bit of money to dump at the real one.  I've seen a few  busted up "spirit houses" out there some time ago, and once, noted a few thrown into bushes along side a country road.   

 

I wouldn't get wrapped around the axle about it and worse, set a precedent that you'll go along with this superstitious nonsense. 

 

Or just lie and make up a lovely sounding story like Thais would to whitewash the less sexy idea that they're just getting rid of some shit they don't want anymore.  I suggest you say you're making a home for homeless, starving birds, paralyzed from the wings down.  The more tragic and sappy it is, the better.  You'll be a hero!

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/discarded-spirit-houses-turned-artificial-reefs/

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11 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I removed one and the best advice is YOU don't do it. Talk to locals and maybe Poo Yai Baan and pay them to do it for you.  

 

(they will do some mumbo jumbo 'ceremony' to take the spirits to another place - no don't ask 'where' but it keeps them and the village happy, if not, and there is a misfortune you might get the blame)

Actually a little unfortunate- I removed all of the paraphrenalia from inside and dumped it already (it was a right mess), so all that is left is now a (bloody heavy) spirit house and column, with nothing inside the house at all. Would this be a problem or have I culturally [email protected]#% the bed? 

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9 minutes ago, CardSenseJimmyBond said:

Actually a little unfortunate- I removed all of the paraphrenalia from inside and dumped it already (it was a right mess), so all that is left is now a (bloody heavy) spirit house and column, with nothing inside the house at all. Would this be a problem or have I culturally [email protected]#% the bed? 

 Put some new paraphernalia in, who would know? if anyone inquiries claim that you respected the tradition so much  you upgraded the spirits to more Deluxe accommodations.

PS: don't rely on my advise , what the heck do I know about these matters.

By the way, wife puts food by ours, and the neighbors chickens  used to (before we build a big wall  bigger than Trump's wall) come and eat it. I would always tell the wife that the Chickens were probably possessed by the spirits. It always got me a spank on the head, in time i learned to like it. LOL 

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Just drop it off at the local temple. Take care when off loading it and all will be fine. Just happened to me only this week.

 

It needs to go the temple or your neighbours will say you will get bad luck. It's all <deleted> but when in Rome and all that.

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27 minutes ago, thequietman said:

Just drop it off at the local temple. Take care when off loading it and all will be fine. Just happened to me only this week.

 

It needs to go the temple or your neighbours will say you will get bad luck. It's all <deleted> but when in Rome and all that.

Sounds good- did the temple you dropped it off at say anything, and did you have to let them know first?  A little worried if I let them know then they a) refuse or b) insist on a costly ceremony. Do you think it is better to just turn up so they can't really say no?

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45 minutes ago, CardSenseJimmyBond said:

Sounds good- did the temple you dropped it off at say anything, and did you have to let them know first?  A little worried if I let them know then they a) refuse or b) insist on a costly ceremony. Do you think it is better to just turn up so they can't really say no?

I don't like to push this, but I am only trying to help, I would strongly suggest you involve the Pu Yai Baan and ASK.

 

You go dropping off without permission etc. and you get seen you will not be treated the same as a Thai and all sorts of disrespect could be leveled at you. You might get away with it but it's not what I would do but 'up to you'. Disrespect the 'spirits' of the village at your peril.

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1 hour ago, CardSenseJimmyBond said:

Sounds good- did the temple you dropped it off at say anything, and did you have to let them know first?  A little worried if I let them know then they a) refuse or b) insist on a costly ceremony. Do you think it is better to just turn up so they can't really say no?

Spoke with the wife about this. There will be a nominated space in the temple for old spirit houses. Just drop it off there. There is no need to ask permission she said. Generally, you will find other ones under a nominated tree or something. Just drop it off but take it off the truck respectfully and place it there and then off you go. If there's a donation box. stick 20 baht in for show. After all - that's what it is all about anyway.

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not offering advice, just observations....

 

have cycled many tens of thousands of kilometers thru thailand, and seems every small town or village has a few spots along the back roads where the locals dump old spirit houses.  doesn't appear to have been done with any ceremony, just stop the pickup long enough to chuck the items in the ditch, sometimes with all the little zebra and chicken statues still inside.

 

not that the results at the temples are any different.  wander around the back areas of temples, or in the woods surrounding them, and often run across the same piles.

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5 hours ago, CardSenseJimmyBond said:

Actually a little unfortunate- I removed all of the paraphrenalia from inside and dumped it already (it was a right mess), so all that is left is now a (bloody heavy) spirit house and column, with nothing inside the house at all. Would this be a problem or have I culturally [email protected]#% the bed? 

Yes, you have culturally [email protected]#% the bed.

 

Assuming you don't have a Thai wife/gf as there is no way she would have let you do this.

 

If you're not religious/superstitious, what's your problem? Just dump it at the roadside one night like others have said.

 

I for one would not have disturbed it at all without advice. But I believe and respect this stuff. It's my personal belief so leave that there.

 

To the member whose chooks eat the offerings, your spirits have left the house. You're wife should know that though.

 

 

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11 hours ago, CardSenseJimmyBond said:

Sounds good- did the temple you dropped it off at say anything, and did you have to let them know first?  A little worried if I let them know then they a) refuse or b) insist on a costly ceremony. Do you think it is better to just turn up so they can't really say no?

Personally, I wouldn`t do anything about this without going through the proper procedure. Just wouldn`t. But if you`re willing to take the chance.......

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