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BANGKOK 17 January 2019 09:18
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Expat volunteers in Chiang Mai denied visas in work permit standoff

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8 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

Although I am sure what you say is true about these 2 guys abusing the system it does not mean the immigration department should stop issuing visas. There are many people that abuse the system in many different roles, student visa springs to mind. I have some friends volunteering here, genuinely so. They are working for a charity organisation that houses abandoned babies until a home can be found. They get zero money from anyone, 100% volunteering their time. They both have valuable experience, 1 a retired teacher and the other a  retired social worker,,, however they are jumping through hoops and being pressed with questions as if they are criminals to get their visas and permits sorted out. 

 

To be honest I would not bother, instead if i wanted to help less fortunate I would go somewhere who welcomes you into their country and treats you with some respect,,, the unfortunate thing is the people who suffer in the end are the ones in most need of help, very sad, very stupid...

 

 

Kudos to your friends, but you (and they) can see that there are also lots of other people who abuse the system. Those are the ones who should be blamed if the system is what it is.

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13 hours ago, Briggsy said:

How many of these volunteers are evangelists?

Many have gone and built schools, nursed the sick and done good work aside from evangelism. I know what I do and it isn't questioning good deeds.

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7 hours ago, balo said:

Plenty of missionaries  in CM .  Most of them are Americans , they have a "call" and want to save the poor souls from the hill tribes like the Akha people. Many of them are disgusting people , sorry to say it. 

Details to support your disgust. First hand experience is always more credible.

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There is another type of person. 

After I have retired I would like to get a work permit to help as a non paid volunteer to benefit my local community. 

I don’t want anything just something to do that will give me a feeling of having given something. 

How would this affect me, I would already have a visa by marriage?

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28 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

Although I am sure what you say is true about these 2 guys abusing the system it does not mean the immigration department should stop issuing visas.

 

I think you'll find the immigration dept has only stopped issuing VISAs to people applying on the basis of being a 'Charity Worker' if they can't get a work permit as a Charity worker. Now the 2 guys I knew, were using different charities as fronts and mentioned there was a whole classroom of other foreigners at each meeting. Let's assume I knew 20 foreigners well enough for VISA chats, and 2 of them were on bogus charity VISAs, scaling up (50,000 foreigners in CM) it isn't 1 or 2 people on the bogus charity worker VISA, more like thousands.

People here on retirement/Tourist/marriage VISAs probably don't have any problem helping out at real charities on the side.

 

I remember the Ed. VISA scam, when I unwittingly attended Thai classes as a real student (no Ed VISA required), and most of the other students (on ed VISAs) didn't bother to study, and the teachers didn't bother to teach, as they were only there for the VISA.

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Would these volunteers include missionaries? You know the drill: free language lessons, maybe a meal and hear about their savior. Wolf in lambs clothing imo. Certain Utah based religions expect each follower to "volunteer" for 2 years of spreading the word

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I know I'm not a judge and try not tobe judgemental but from the foregoing opinions I would say that  ' From the home of CC' has hit the nail on the head,I know that inthe UK help is always needed as the governments turn their backs on the local needy in a rush to assist those who are not their own, there is a saying 'charity begins at home' and believe it or not thats where people are falling through the net

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14 hours ago, ukrules said:

This new 'head of the labour office' is clearly not following the rules or doing their job properly.

 

Report them to the main department in Bangkok and get him / her bought into line or fired.

Fired ! ? ! ?   Thai government personnel don't get FIRED.   They just get put on inactive duties to wait out for a nice early retirement followed by a nice little pension.   I have this mental image of a gigantic warehouse out near Don Mueng airport full of Thais in uniform with their feet up on desks.

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13 minutes ago, Emster23 said:

Would these volunteers include missionaries? You know the drill: free language lessons, maybe a meal and hear about their savior. Wolf in lambs clothing imo. Certain Utah based religions expect each follower to "volunteer" for 2 years of spreading the word

There is a "Religious Affairs (RA)" visa for missionaries. 

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If I was genuinely of that inclination, I'd stick two fingers up to them and go volunteer elsewhere. Somewhere I'd be appreciated.

Ungrateful bar stewards.

 

 

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