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My small dog, half Chihuahua and half poodle, has had a problem with itching for a long time and it isn’t getting any better. The vet’s been treating her for close on a year for the condition with no discernible long-term benefit. The main treatment has been to use the Masaleb shampoo, which I gather is only available on prescription. I’ve gone through four bottles of that, twice a week letting it soak into her skin for twenty minutes before rinsing her off, but it makes no difference. I don’t much like this stuff as it’s poisonous, and it’s difficult to be sure she doesn’t ingest any during the bath.

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Since then the vet has prescribed an oatmeal shampoo which is supposed to reduce itchiness of the skin but again it makes little or no difference. More recently, off my own back, I’ve tried her on dog shampoos containing activated charcoal (that made her itchier if anything) and Neem tree oil (I’ve only just started using this one so the jury’s still out, but I’m not over-optimistic).

 

I went to see another vet to get a second opinion, this time the large Eastern Pet hospital which is the premier pet clinic in Pattaya. The treatment suggested was exactly the same, use the Malaseb shampoo, so I don’t think my vet is missing anything much.

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Over the last year two medicines have fixed the itching while she was taking them, but it soon came back when she stopped. One was a steroid, that worked very well in stopping the itching but had such nasty side-effects that she won’t be taking those again. The other was an oral antibiotic that the vet gave her to help with the side-effects of the steroids (coughing up blood). While she took it the itching stopped, so I assume it’s a bacterial problem with her skin, but as soon as she stopped the antibiotics it came back again.

 

Does anybody have any suggestions for curing excessive itchiness in a Thai dog? It’s mainly a problem on her abdomen and around her teats, but also on the neck and around the face, ears and eyes. None of the commercial shampoos seem to make any difference to her condition, I wonder if there are any Thai folk remedies available using natural herbs or whatever that anybody knows about? Any other suggestions, I think the vet’s run out of ideas.

Thanks for any help.

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12 minutes ago, Gulfsailor said:

It could be that your dog is allergic to something in its environment. Steroids would show a reduction of the symptoms, so that fits. You could try a antihistamine drug such as Benadryl or Zyrtec. If that makes a noticeable difference you can move on to find the actual allergen and remove it. 

We've tried antihistamines several times but they had no helpful effects. The vet is also a big fan of vitamins and the poor dog has been on various different tablets for months and months, again to no effect. I've told the vet I'm not wasting any more money on vitamins. We've also tried changing her diet in various ways, low salt, low protein, and so on, but all it does is make to the poor animal unhappy, she likes her food too much.

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21 minutes ago, Naam said:

i'm not a vet but have some experience (nearly 10 years) with both our dogs who are "atopics".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atopy

after going like you a couple of years through all the shampoos and a dozen different diets our dogs are OK with the drug "cyclosporin".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciclosporin

both dogs are taking it since 7 respectively 8 years, initially daily and then slowly reduced to three times a month.

 

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Thanks for the suggestion, but if it's a case of hypoallergy then I don't understand why the oral antibiotics fixed the problem, at least while she was taking them. That sounds to me like it's a bacterial problem rather than an allergic reaction. Also, when I go back to the UK twice a year for a month or so the dog goes to stay with my GF (who's actually her owner, though I'm the caretaker if you like). She has the same problems there as she does staying in my house, while her surroundings and diet have changed completely. Obviously I'm a layman not a vet, but it makes me a bit doubtful about the allergy explanation. I'm aware of what cyclosporin is, it used to be the most widely-used primary immunosuppresant used in solid organ transplant patients, though I gather that tacrolimus is preferred nowadays. I'm seeing the vet later this week for the dog's annual shots so I'll mention the possibility to her if I don't get any better explanations or ideas, thanks. It's much less blunt-edged than steroids at cooling down the immune system so given that the steroids worked (though at a heavy price in terms of the side-effects) cyclosporin might do the trick I guess.

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3 minutes ago, Guderian said:

It's much less blunt-edged than steroids at cooling down the immune system so given that the steroids worked (though at a heavy price in terms of the side-effects) cyclosporin might do the trick I guess.

we are lucky having never experienced an side effects but both dogs have a blood test every six months.

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5 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Thanks for the suggestion, but if it's a case of hypoallergy then I don't understand why the oral antibiotics fixed the problem

oral antibiotics have zero affect on most allergies.

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7 minutes ago, Naam said:

oral antibiotics have zero affect on most allergies.

Exactly the point I was trying to make, the oral antibiotics worked which makes me think it's a bacterial problem.

 

Of course, the steroids also worked, but I don't know enough to say what that means about it being a bacterial problem. Anybody?

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Itching dogs......

 

So many reasons, and all different reason need a different treatment, while same treatment for same reason not aways will help.

 

OK...

 

Let's make a start. Most common reasons for itching are the welknown parasites as Ticks and flees. Mostly they are visible, but not always for the untrained eye. For ticks, look for the ticks. For flees, look for the flees (the start is easy) When you do not see flees, but some black, small particles, that is a clear indication for flees. When it is this, treatment with Ivermectine, Advocate, Bravecto, Nexguard will help and cure.

 

A difficult one can be Dermodex. When the dog is sensitive for this, in fact no cure will help. Sometimes it helps to start with steroids, Pretnison, AND a combination from Ivermectine, Bravecto, Advocate, or Nexguard. The steroids, Pretnison to boost the immune system. The other medicine to kill the parasite. When you are lucky, this combination works. Most owners (and dogs!) are less lucky.

 

The fact that your dog respond good on antibiotic is in my opinion a bad sign. It tells me that for some reason your dog have wounds. These wounds are infected and cause itch.

Task is to find the cause from these wounds.

 

We have a dog who likes to sleep (hide itself) in a very small place. To get there he always has some small wounds. We have a dog with dermodex, we did all, and she is one of the unlucky ones who never will get better. She has good days, then she is very happy, and a lovely dog. And she has bad days. The itching drives her crazy, she cries when she scratches and bites herself. For now we think (and yes, that is us, we asked her and she did not give a clear answer) the good days are more then her bad days. When it turns around we will euthanise her.

 

Maybe wildewillie89 will reply soon with some good suggestion. Otherwise PM him.

 

Good luck! 

Arjen.

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13 minutes ago, Arjen said:

The steroids, Pretnison to boost the immune system.

Prednison does not boost but suppresses the immune system who's overreaction might have caused the problems mentioned before.

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1 hour ago, Guderian said:

Exactly the point I was trying to make, the oral antibiotics worked which makes me think it's a bacterial problem.

 

Of course, the steroids also worked, but I don't know enough to say what that means about it being a bacterial problem. Anybody?

if it is a bacterial problem the various vets you consulted should have made relevant tests (blood test and skin biopsy) .

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4 hours ago, Naam said:

Prednison does not boost but suppresses the immune system who's overreaction might have caused the problems mentioned before.

Pfffff.

 

I wrote a few hours ago.... As ususal, Naam is correct.

Pretnison is supressing the immune system. But sometimes this is enough to get an animal (or human) back on its legs.

 

Pretnison is able to make dead bodies alive again.

 

It is not for nothing that it is administred to people with a hearthstroke, cobra bite. It powers off all systems in the body, and makes it possible to have a clear, clean start. 

 

And for sure I say again wrong now....

 

Best regards, Arjen...

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Have you tried dusting the animal with flea powder/talc for dogs? Try it every morning and evening for a couple of weeks and see if there’s an improvement


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1 hour ago, lemonjelly said:

Have you tried dusting the animal with flea powder/talc for dogs? Try it every morning and evening for a couple of weeks and see if there’s an improvement

are you for real? :coffee1:

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did you try sulpher powder?It works for our dog.

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