Jump to content
BANGKOK 11 December 2018 08:09
Jo M

Greedy Bangkok Airways... Action needed!

Recommended Posts

Bangkok Airways are too greedy...

Bangkok Airways is the bottle neck of increasing tourism to Samui, everybody with common sense knows it. Government knows it, municipality knows it. 

It's time to take an action to stop the greediness of Bangkok Airways regarding Samui flights.

They are Monopoly therefore ways are limited, by but with social networks and the truth Samui, Phangan & Koh Tao can WIN.

Flights to Samui normally cost 3-5 times MORE than the a LONGER flight to Phuket, and comparing to... Bangkok Airways ITSELF!

Comparing to other airlines it's even more shockingly expensive...

Ripping money from Samui travelers and residents? SURE!

Listen to this:

Samui resident card - people living on the island used to get it... WOW.

So now they play games to make more greedy money...

Under new policy starting this year only few are entitled, even if you retired on official pension Visa and live in Samui for many years, and HAD resident card... Forget it... You are not a resident anymore!

From now you will pay 4 -5 times more than tourist travelling to Phuket...

Food? The "boutique airline" changed to plastic uneatable cold food (from warm and ok food) on flight... Saving... Greedy...

And... After all that, if you still loyal supporter (by no choice, Monopoly, remember?) and have their card, from August 2018 one will not earn points on the resident special price... company saves another 200 baht... Greedy we said already?

And did you know they still charge airport tax? Have you known this? Have you ever pay in other countries "airport tax" for DOMESTIC flight?

Greedy...

So what we do?

Fly we have to...

But we can spread it...

sofirstly, tourists will know and fly to Suratthani at a fraction of the cost (sometimes 80% less!),

and secondly, we should vote for OTHER domestic company for best regional airline in coming year, and we should make big powers to start do something...

They hurt the island tourism, they hurt their own loyal (by no choice) travellers, they hurt the people of Samui economically, they hurt the reputation of Thailand and it's competitive ability, they are too greedy...

Let's us show them that we care, and greediness will not work.

Spread it as much as you can, help the islands of Samui, Phangan, Koh Tao.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good to remember that most of the employees we deal with domestically at BA are competent and service minded. We even have had late luggage delivered directly to our door after arriving on next flight. Overall company policies are what the poster is upset about.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Jo M said:

Under new policy starting this year only few are entitled, even if you retired on official pension Visa and live in Samui for many years, and HAD resident card... Forget it... You are not a resident anymore!

Would you care to elaborate on this? I got my card renewed this year and can't see any changes on their website regarding different paperwork required.

 

https://flyerbonus.bangkokair.com/flyerbonus/type-of-membership/414/samui-resident-card

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You should get at least one free flight if you post that all over social media good luck ?

  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

From what I see Samui is crowded already?

At least it has not much to do what I experienced some 20 years ago on my only visit.

Now add cheap flights preferably direct from half a dozen Chinese airports (like U-Tapao/Pattaya) and wait what happens.

Edited by KhunBENQ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
58 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Bangkok Airways has no monopoly on Koh Samui flights, Thai Airways also fly from/to Bangkok, and other airlines fly from/to other destinations, for example Silk Air. Anyone can fly Samui within the restriction of number of daily operations set by Thai aviation authorities, the number was recently increased from 36 to 50. The airport however, has high fees, as it's private owned.

 

 

I agree with most of what you said but the above is not quite true.  BA does own the airport and do assing the landing rights.  They give them under the condition that BA prices can not be undercut.  Thai Airways has announced that they will end their Samui flights (don't recall if it already happened or if it will be in the 4th quarter). Silkair is a good example, prices are always at least what BA offers at the same time.  I am not quite sure what the deal is with the Chinese Charter flights that hit Samui a few times a week.

 

As a side note, I don't think there is capacity for more than 50 flights per day given the size of the airport and only one runway. However, people with more aviation experience might be in a better position to comment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, huberthammer said:

I agree with most of what you said but the above is not quite true.  BA does own the airport and do assing the landing rights.  They give them under the condition that BA prices can not be undercut.  Thai Airways has announced that they will end their Samui flights (don't recall if it already happened or if it will be in the 4th quarter). Silkair is a good example, prices are always at least what BA offers at the same time.  I am not quite sure what the deal is with the Chinese Charter flights that hit Samui a few times a week.

 

As a side note, I don't think there is capacity for more than 50 flights per day given the size of the airport and only one runway. However, people with more aviation experience might be in a better position to comment.

Thanks for your comments.

 

BA has earlier been quoted in news for that it's the airport fees, not anything with undercutting fares, that makes ticket prices higher at USM; however the fees might make undercutting almost impossible. If I remember right, it was in an article where Air Asia wished to operate at USM, and it was also mentioned in that article, that any airline could operate at USM, just they paid the fees, and the flight would be within the limitation of allowed daily operations.

 

The 50, and before 36, operations per day was said to be due to the airport is in a transit area – flight corridor above the aislands Samui and Phangan – it has nothing to do with airport capacity.

 

Thai Airways was operating today. Instead of operating the own airplanes, Thai made a codeshare agreement with Bangkok Airways, and got thereby access to all Bangkok Air flights, in was said in the last new article I read about Thai Air terminating their own flights to Samui. A number of airlines have codeshare with Bangkok Air.

?

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, khunPer said:

 

As a side note, I don't think there is capacity for more than 50 flights per day given the size of the airport and only one runway. However, people with more aviation experience might be in a better position to comment.

The single runway, even with the present limited taxiway access, could handle many more flights than 50 a day. Think about it, 50 a day is only just over an average of 3 per hour during their opening hours. The terminal, which at times is already packed, is the limiting factor at this airport.

 

From my understanding the figure of 50 was an agreement with the Thai Aviation Authorities with regard to environmental impact on the islands. I will stand corrected on this if it is not the case.

 

With regards to the "transit area - flight corridor above the islands"  this sounds like an excuse. And I have heard this mooted before.  Any proper airspace management would generate a massive increase in capacity over 50 a day.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites



Bangkok Airways are....
So what we do?
Fly we have to...
But we can spread it...
sofirstly, tourists will know and fly to Suratthani at a fraction of the cost (sometimes 80% less!),
and secondly,


So fly to surat thani and enjoy a much longer journey on a bus and boat and relax. What's your hurry? Cheaper and you can use AirAsia.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
52 minutes ago, CaptainWindsock said:

The single runway, even with the present limited taxiway access, could handle many more flights than 50 a day. Think about it, 50 a day is only just over an average of 3 per hour during their opening hours. The terminal, which at times is already packed, is the limiting factor at this airport.

 

From my understanding the figure of 50 was an agreement with the Thai Aviation Authorities with regard to environmental impact on the islands. I will stand corrected on this if it is not the case.

 

With regards to the "transit area - flight corridor above the islands"  this sounds like an excuse. And I have heard this mooted before.  Any proper airspace management would generate a massive increase in capacity over 50 a day.

I agree with the Captain

 

It was explained to me that the limit of 36 flights per day was for all private airports/airfields in Thailand.

 

Bandit Airways asked for and received an extension up to the current number of flights based on them wanting more airlines to land here.

 

Yes - Thai Airways are to stop their own flights (in noisy, older aircraft) in or after September this year. The reason given was because the full code share agreement with Bandit Airways made their own flights unnecessary.

 

Other airlines currently flying into Samui are Tibet Airlines, Lucky Air, Silk Air and Thai Airways (for now).

 

There have been other strange attempts for airlines such as Berlin Air to fly here, but this was on a 'part-time' basis.

 

At peak times (Christmas etc), all 50 slots are in use. Personally, as I live under the flight path, I would prefer not to see an increase in the number of flights. 06.00 to 22.00 is easy to live with. Earlier or later flights would be a pain.

Edited by Tropicalevo
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
56 minutes ago, CaptainWindsock said:

The single runway, even with the present limited taxiway access, could handle many more flights than 50 a day. Think about it, 50 a day is only just over an average of 3 per hour during their opening hours. The terminal, which at times is already packed, is the limiting factor at this airport.

 

Currently 3 take offs per hour and 3 landings so on average 10 minutes runway time per flight,  on a small and somewhat basic airport could you really get that much more traffic? I have no aviation experience and I am just interested as I struggle to see planes coming and going every 5 minutes on Samui airport. 

 

 

56 minutes ago, CaptainWindsock said:

 

With regards to the "transit area - flight corridor above the islands"  this sounds like an excuse. And I have heard this mooted before.  Any proper airspace management would generate a massive increase in capacity over 50 a day.

I guess the people living in Bangrak will not argue with their point..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

Sponsors
×