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Looking to purchase a cheap aircon for a rental property .Does anyone know is Gree 9000 btu is any good or any other recommendations on what is a good purchase .Trying to keep the price around 10K .

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If I were you I would go with a more popular name brand... 

My pick would be a Samsung Inverter 9,000btu... This is a couple thousand more in cost but the inverter technology will save you more in electric bills in a year than the additional cost... being a name brand it would be easy to have it moved or sold... Price shop at Big C, Tesco, Home Depot & Global House - Make a point to chat up the sales person and ask if there is promotion!...

 

 

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I have to agree with sfokevin on the inverter technology. It will save you a lot of money in the long run. I have an LG one, and my electric bills came down drastically compared to the old one I had. 

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good aircon shop with good prices near plaza 89. same side a few hundred metres towards mahidol road. recommended to us by farang developer and we have had good experience there. we use york brand

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Don't buy from Lazada because you may be tempted by their prices. My wife purchased a Mitsubishi from a seller on Lazada and when it arrived the compressor was damaged (dropped - corner bent in), and there were no warranty papers, owner's manual, etc. After contacting Lazada she was told there was absolutely no warranty of any kind - on a brand new A/C! She had to threaten the seller by calling the police when he refused to refund her. Between the police and the help of Lazada, he finally agreed to refund her a week later. She had to haul the units over to a trucking company. Cost her 500 Baht in return shipping. Complete waste of time and energy.

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I agree to buy locally so you can deal with a local person if you have a problem... I have bought a few units over the years from local big chain stores (HomePro & Globsl House) and the price listed always included install and no extra “commission”?...  The acception of extra charge for bracket to install on outside wall

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The usual outlets will have their already whopping marked up price and then say it includes fitting.

well yes it does, then come the limitations. The included price will allow only 3m of cable to a feed source, then the external compressor has to be sitting on the floor or a landing, you want wall hung then pay.

 

you don't have a clue who your installer will be, some fly by night can do guy or a subcontracted professional its a toss up.

 

thereafter you have a query, who to contact, I think we all accept the box stores are not interested (though Home Pro do care actually)

 

I would always say to someone, go to the professional independants for the best price, the best service, the best aftercare. This applies to anyone wanting aircons, water pumps, water tanks, power tools

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Just because an aircon is an inverter model it does not mean it saves money.  This is a fallacy.  I have a non inverter aircon and the manufacturers figures are identical to the inverter model.  Check makers plates first.

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With respect mr Dellboy you clearly have little concept of how inverters work, how they save energy, and thus how they save on running costs.

Your typical aircon is straight up to full power consumption, and will stay at that output for a long time, often not even switching off.

the inverter uses high initial energy for maybe 5 minutes max at which point it drops down the gears and idles with no noise, no switching on and off and regulates the air temp at a constant on very low power.

 

infact a 9k btu  inverter will use not much more electricity than a typical ceiling fan.

 

take time to read up on how the two work and differ and you will realise that comparing like for like wattages is not always the full story.

 

They key point is if you can get an inverter model for the same price as the standard model, then its simply a no brainer. 

going to the big box stores you can't; going to the independents you can.

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10 hours ago, eyecatcher said:

With respect mr Dellboy you clearly have little concept of how inverters work, how they save energy, and thus how they save on running costs.

Your typical aircon is straight up to full power consumption, and will stay at that output for a long time, often not even switching off.

the inverter uses high initial energy for maybe 5 minutes max at which point it drops down the gears and idles with no noise, no switching on and off and regulates the air temp at a constant on very low power.

 

infact a 9k btu  inverter will use not much more electricity than a typical ceiling fan.

 

take time to read up on how the two work and differ and you will realise that comparing like for like wattages is not always the full story.

 

They key point is if you can get an inverter model for the same price as the standard model, then its simply a no brainer. 

going to the big box stores you can't; going to the independents you can.

It is you that has no concept. An inverter takes your AC converts it to DC and then converts it back to AC at a varying frequency.  The advantage of that is a soft start to the compressor,  its quieter.  I actually said that my aircon figures showed the inverter version was no more economical.  If you can get a 9000BTU aircon  running at the same energy as a ceiling fan then your ceiling fan needs replacing.  A 9000BTU  aircon will be running at near 800 to1000W with compressor running.  Where do your gears come from?  There aren't any.  An induction motor follows the speed of the supply frequency hence variable supply, variable speed.  You are right it may not start and stop but ramp up and down which means the compressor is still taking power Instead of switching off.  If any one is reading this, ignore what this guy writes and check the makers figures. Wattage are not the full story, thisis a measure of work done.  VA is a measure of power including losses.  Check those out from the makers as well.  According to this guy you can get an aircon running on 50W. Patent it!

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Of course no one needs to listen to anyone elses opinion, but when it comes to aircon technology the way forward for the last few years has been the inverter models.

Why are they the way forward, well because we live in a world of energy savings, green efficiency, lower running costs.

If the inverter models are no better than the standard models then a lot of companies sure wasted big money developing them.

I feel you have chosen the cheaper standard unit and regret it, and now trying to justify your choice.

 

Of course an aircon will cost more than a fan, but really not that much. I have one 9kbtu inverter aircon only at home which I have had for only 1 year after only having ceiling fans. My electric bills have increased from 400bt month to just under 600bt month, so for me that one aircon is costing 200bt a month extra......to me, that's just a small amount more.

Please don't hesitate to contact me and I can give you further advice on where to find the most efficient aircons, and indeed on any other construction topic.

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On ‎9‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 10:53 AM, beau thai said:

good aircon shop with good prices near plaza 89. same side a few hundred metres towards mahidol road. recommended to us by farang developer and we have had good experience there. we use york brand

Yes I called in there yesterday to check it out.  Right opposite the bakersmart (which I go for my pizza bases) Excellent source of aircons and they do carry the Gree brand, which I admit I havnt come across. before.

I didn't do a price comparison, but if the OP starts by going to the big box stores and noting their prices for the models they are interested in then you can go to his place for a direct comparison. I would certainly expect to see a 15/20pc saving here, even more if they are ordering direct from the factory with you paying a fair chunk upfront.

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3 minutes ago, eyecatcher said:

Of course no one needs to listen to anyone elses opinion, but when it comes to aircon technology the way forward for the last few years has been the inverter models.

Why are they the way forward, well because we live in a world of energy savings, green efficiency, lower running costs.

If the inverter models are no better than the standard models then a lot of companies sure wasted big money developing them.

I feel you have chosen the cheaper standard unit and regret it, and now trying to justify your choice.

 

Of course an aircon will cost more than a fan, but really not that much. I have one 9kbtu inverter aircon only at home which I have had for only 1 year after only having ceiling fans. My electric bills have increased from 400bt month to just under 600bt month, so for me that one aircon is costing 200bt a month extra......to me, that's just a small amount more.

Please don't hesitate to contact me and I can give you further advice on where to find the most efficient aircons, and indeed on any other construction topic.

An inverter will provide you with a soft start and a gradual increase and decrease in torque making  it smoother and quiter in operation.   This is achieved not by gears but by changing the frequency of the electrical supply. The compressor still needs the same energy to turn it. I know how inverters work, after spending 45 years working on alternators, motors, aircon, radar,  various nav systems on virtually every type of ship I can say quite categorically your ideas are ludicrous.  I am quite happy with my DOL type aircon, less electronics to go wrong.  I can assure you I will not be banging on your door for advice, Big bird and Kermit would be more useful. 

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