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16 hours ago, Hummin said:

Ah, I see, they would not ask why the hell se abused half of our oil reserves and spew it out in the athmosphere, and also used the sea as a waste bin, as we cut down the forrests around the world! Interesting view, and it shows how far we are from each other on things that we feel are common sense!

Uhm.... just to let you know.....there are now more trees growing in the northern hemisphere, than there were 100 years ago. 

    And the Earth as a whole has more trees now than 35 years ago. 

   For example, tree losses in Brazil have been balanced by forest gains in Europe, Asia and North America. 

  There have also been large tree planting programs in the world. China being a great example. 

    An increase of about 0.85 degree (I.P.C.C. figure) between 1880 - 2012 following the L.I.A. has also allowed forest to begin expansion into areas they previously could not grow in.

   

    Things are actually improving. And civilization historically has always always done best during warmer times. 

     

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1 hour ago, Catoni said:

I’m old enough to remember when the “scientific consensus” was that the continents were fixed in place and do not move. That’s what we were still being taught in Canadian schools in the 1950’s.

       More than 98% of scientists agreed the continents did not move...that they were fixed in place. It was only coincidence that South America and Africa looked like they might have been joined together before. 

    The scientist Alfred Wegener who came up with the continental drift/plate tectonics idea was laughed out of the university lecture halls, blacklisted by his peers, and found it next to impossible to get published. 

     It was not until long after his death that the mid-Atlantic ridge rift was discovered, and Alfred Wegener was proven right ...vindicated.

    Today, continental drift/plate tectonics.....moving continents is established....proven science. 

    The Gore Bull Warming/Climate Change Alarmists and their 97% of scientists claim really reminds me of the more than 98% of scientists who claimed the continents do not move.  

 

 "More than 98% of scientists agreed the continents did not move..."

 

Link for the 98% figure? Are you speaking of pre WWI era?

 

"Despite much opposition, the view of continental drift gained support and a lively debate started between "drifters" or "mobilists" (proponents of the theory) and "fixists" (opponents). During the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s, the former reached important milestones proposing that convection currents might have driven the plate movements, and that spreading may have occurred below the sea within the oceanic crust. Concepts close to the elements now incorporated in plate tectonics were proposed by geophysicists and geologists (both fixists and mobilists) like Vening-Meinesz, Holmes, and Umbgrove."

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics

 

 

Note that as far as plate tectonics, science worked as it is supposed to - as additional data became available, the prevailing theory gave way to a new one with the addition of more physical evidence.

Eventually the data was overwhelming, just as catastrophic global warming evidence was overwhelming.

 

And the theory changed due to work by scientists publishing in peer reviewed journals.

No scientific theory has ever been disproven and given way to a new theory due to right wing bloggers, or others who work outside the scientific community.

 

 

As far as I can tell, you and other climate change/global warming deniers are not proposing a new mechanism for evaluating climate.

You are looking at the same data that scientists are looking at, but you are interpreting it differently.

I will go with the 97% of trained professional scientists and the mountains of evidence - more every day.

 

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1 hour ago, Catoni said:

I’m old enough to remember when the “scientific consensus” was that the continents were fixed in place and do not move. That’s what we were still being taught in Canadian schools in the 1950’s.

       More than 98% of scientists agreed the continents did not move...that they were fixed in place. It was only coincidence that South America and Africa looked like they might have been joined together before. 

    The scientist Alfred Wegener who came up with the continental drift/plate tectonics idea was laughed out of the university lecture halls, blacklisted by his peers, and found it next to impossible to get published. 

     It was not until long after his death that the mid-Atlantic ridge rift was discovered, and Alfred Wegener was proven right ...vindicated.

    Today, continental drift/plate tectonics.....moving continents is established....proven science. 

    The Gore Bull Warming/Climate Change Alarmists and their 97% of scientists claim really reminds me of the more than 98% of scientists who claimed the continents do not move.  

You miss. The point...after looking at the evidence the overwhelming consensus is now that man  made climate change is real....... like when it was first put forward it wasn't universally accepted....it is now, by the same process that also accepts tectonic plates.

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On ‎11‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 1:33 AM, Jim1000 said:

We are doomed !

Factually correct. Even if we survive this, eventually the sun burns out and consumes the planets, and the universe also dies- it's just a matter of time, but everything ends. Presumably it all falls into a black hole and another big bang restarts the process. I hope they do it better next time around.

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18 hours ago, kwilco said:

You miss. The point...after looking at the evidence the overwhelming consensus is now that man  made climate change is real....... like when it was first put forward it wasn't universally accepted....it is now, by the same process that also accepts tectonic plates.

Correct or not, the powers that be have no actual workable plan to change it back, and even if they had the ability to change anything, it wouldn't work like they want. They want to eliminate temperature increase, which isn't possible, no matter how much tax they put on us, or how many windmills/ electric cars they force us to use. Population growth and the insane obsession with "growth" over sustainability will not allow the necessary action to be taken. Elimination of the industrial society would actually work, but only because most of the human population would die off.

Running around like Chicken Little spouting catch phrases about how "we must do something to limit temperature rise" isn't going to change anything, though the taxes they want to impose will make most of us poorer.

If you think I'm wrong, just look at the projections for increased air travel in the next few years- a major polluting industry. If governments were serious about it, they'd ban all non essential air travel.

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18 hours ago, JimmyJ said:

As far as I can tell, you and other climate change/global warming deniers are not proposing a new mechanism for evaluating climate.

I'm not proposing any different way of evaluating climate. My position has always been that no one can actually do anything about it, so just enjoy while we can, as eventually, everything ends.

Personally, I'd like it to get a few degrees warmer, as it's been too cold for my liking recently.

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Factually correct. Even if we survive this, eventually the sun burns out and consumes the planets, and the universe also dies- it's just a matter of time, but everything ends. Presumably it all falls into a black hole and another big bang restarts the process. I hope they do it better next time around.

The Universe die, when our sun die?

 

Eloborate better? I cant see anything else than perfectness in mother nature. When to many of something, they go selfdestruct like a timebomb. 

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4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The Universe die, when our sun die?...

 

 

 

I love hummingbirds also.

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21 hours ago, Catoni said:

Uhm.... just to let you know.....there are now more trees growing in the northern hemisphere, than there were 100 years ago. 

    And the Earth as a whole has more trees now than 35 years ago. 

   For example, tree losses in Brazil have been balanced by forest gains in Europe, Asia and North America. 

  There have also been large tree planting programs in the world. China being a great example. 

    An increase of about 0.85 degree (I.P.C.C. figure) between 1880 - 2012 following the L.I.A. has also allowed forest to begin expansion into areas they previously could not grow in.

   

    Things are actually improving. And civilization historically has always always done best during warmer times. 

     

A bit more complicated than just a tree for tree recovery

 

https://www.google.no/amp/s/psmag.com/.amp/environment/the-planet-now-has-more-trees-than-it-did-35-years-ago

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33 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The Universe die, when our sun die?

 

Eloborate better? I cant see anything else than perfectness in mother nature. When to many of something, they go selfdestruct like a timebomb. 

 

     Our sun will die in 4 or 5 billion years.  But its temprature will slowly increase until then.  About 500 million years from now the Sun will be too hot for human life on this planet.    Before then, we must develope interstellar travel and move off-world to other star systems.  

 

   The universe will continue to exist long long long after our Sun is gone...

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1 hour ago, Catoni said:

 

     Our sun will die in 4 or 5 billion years.  But its temprature will slowly increase until then.  About 500 million years from now the Sun will be too hot for human life on this planet.    Before then, we must develope interstellar travel and move off-world to other star systems.  

 

   The universe will continue to exist long long long after our Sun is gone...

If we do not know today anything about human footprint on this planet due to clima changes, we for sure know less about our universe lifespan and future. If we just could preserve better what we have, and do not disturb our nature that is designed for our best right now, we could be better off, but again, we just do not know whats in there for us in the future. Our universe can be history tomorow for all we know, but it his here now we live, and your children and grandchildren is going to deal with our mistakes, or abuse of this planet.

 

Very intersting article, but still, it just another theory!

 

https://www.google.no/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2010/10/101027-science-space-universe-end-of-time-multiverse-inflation

 

 

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