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BANGKOK 16 November 2018 08:26
Jonathan Fairfield

British Embassy Bangkok to Stop Certification of Income Letters

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posted before but will try again

 

I have up to now used the 800k balance for my 12 month extension, this means that throughout the year up to extension renewal I transfer funds to my Thai bank account (not equal to 65k a month but more like 40k a month) so for the 12 months I transfer 40,000 x 12 = 480k (usually 2x transfers of 240kbaht a year)  baht from outside Thailand which should qualify as verifiable income into my Thai bank account regardless of how many transfers it involves, so that should mean my actual Thai bank balance requires an additional 320k baht seasoned for 3 months to tally up to 800k baht of income and balance using the combo method

 

To me this is the simplest way of providing the Thai Immigration with what they want to see - no need for Embassy involvement at all, no need for any additional paperwork, no need for anything other than your Thai bank statement for the previous 12 months - it is all available through your Thai bank account in Thailand

 

This seems a much better solution than anything being used right now

 

Thoughts

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12 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

That hasn't been confirmed, just an assumption.

It has been confirmed by Thai Immigration.

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1 minute ago, smedly said:

posted before but will try again

 

I have up to now used the 800k balance for my 12 month extension, this means that throughout the year up to extension renewal I transfer funds to my Thai bank account (not equal to 65k a month but more like 40k a month) so for the 12 months I transfer 40,000 x 12 = 480k (usually 2x transfers of 240kbaht a year)  baht from outside Thailand which should qualify as verifiable income into my Thai bank account regardless of how many transfers it involves, so that should mean my actual Thai bank balance requires an additional 320k baht seasoned for 3 months to tally up to 800k baht of income and balance using the combo method

 

To me this is the simplest way of providing the Thai Immigration with what they want to see - no need for Embassy involvement at all, no need for any additional paperwork, no need for anything other than your Thai bank statement for the previous 12 months - it is all available through your Thai bank account in Thailand

 

This seems a much better solution than anything being used right now

 

Thoughts

For me an embassy letter confirming my income is a much easier, cheaper and simpler method.

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3 minutes ago, steve73 said:

There must be quite a few British retirees who use the income method that don't post on here (or elsewhere), and could well be unaware of this change....  I think we all need to bring this change to their attention.

 

I've see many comments here that it won't affect anyone until c. June next year since they can get their income letter up to 6 months early...

But what if they don't realize until they turn up at the BE a few days before they're planning on extending their visa, only to be told no.. And by then it'll be too late to bring in the funds and season them. 

And that is assuming also that they have the funds to bring in.  Chances are is that that is the reason they use the income method because simply they do not have that amount of money available.

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6 minutes ago, steve73 said:

But what if they don't realize until they turn up at the BE a few days before they're planning on extending their visa, only to be told no..

They would not be going to the UK embassy for the letter since they are only done by mail now. Hopefully they will be going to the webpage to get the latest requirements for the income letter and find out it is no longer possible. If not they would get a letter back from the embassy informing them it is not possible after they mailed the application in.

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10 minutes ago, smedly said:

posted before but will try again

 

I have up to now used the 800k balance for my 12 month extension, this means that throughout the year up to extension renewal I transfer funds to my Thai bank account (not equal to 65k a month but more like 40k a month) so for the 12 months I transfer 40,000 x 12 = 480k (usually 2x transfers of 240kbaht a year)  baht from outside Thailand which should qualify as verifiable income into my Thai bank account regardless of how many transfers it involves, so that should mean my actual Thai bank balance requires an additional 320k baht seasoned for 3 months to tally up to 800k baht of income and balance using the combo method

 

To me this is the simplest way of providing the Thai Immigration with what they want to see - no need for Embassy involvement at all, no need for any additional paperwork, no need for anything other than your Thai bank statement for the previous 12 months - it is all available through your Thai bank account in Thailand

 

This seems a much better solution than anything being used right now

 

Thoughts

I agree this would be a sensible approach, but it still relies on the Thai bank changing its procedures (to issue a letter advising income as well as the savings), and Thai Imm. accepting that Bank letter as an alternative to an embassy letter.

And yes, I realize that currently your income doesn't need to actually come into T/L, or that this suggestion would prevent someone "recycling" their cash.  

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4 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

And that is assuming also that they have the funds to bring in.  Chances are is that that is the reason they use the income method because simply they do not have that amount of money available.

I disagree... I know many people (not just Brits) who have plenty of available savings yet prefer to use the income method for a number of reasons (better returns elsewhere, not wanting to keep too much here, etc.), but if this becomes the only way that the Brits can secure their extension then they'll need to do it.

I only keep enough savings here simply because I have insufficient income at the present time. 

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14 minutes ago, smedly said:

posted before but will try again

 

I have up to now used the 800k balance for my 12 month extension, this means that throughout the year up to extension renewal I transfer funds to my Thai bank account (not equal to 65k a month but more like 40k a month) so for the 12 months I transfer 40,000 x 12 = 480k (usually 2x transfers of 240kbaht a year)  baht from outside Thailand which should qualify as verifiable income into my Thai bank account regardless of how many transfers it involves, so that should mean my actual Thai bank balance requires an additional 320k baht seasoned for 3 months to tally up to 800k baht of income and balance using the combo method

 

To me this is the simplest way of providing the Thai Immigration with what they want to see - no need for Embassy involvement at all, no need for any additional paperwork, no need for anything other than your Thai bank statement for the previous 12 months - it is all available through your Thai bank account in Thailand

 

This seems a much better solution than anything being used right now

 

Thoughts

With all due respect- this may be easier for you or others- but some of us do not have or do not care to tie up funds in a Thai bank nor do we want to do business with a Thai Bank.

 

I have used the same bank  for 50 years in  New York- they know me and I know them-  All my pensions are direct deposited in the same account- and drawn out in Thailand as needed- deposits amount to more than 65K per month- can easily prove it- bank summary; ATM cards with slips etc etc.  I have had many  Thai bank accounts- mostly used when I was working in Thailand.  Now-retied  for a long time- no need for any Thai Bank other than the ATM to get my money out.

 

The  Thai Police Order says I can do it this way- so does the Immigration Act of 1979. While I could bring in said amounts in a lump sum - if forced- some people cannot do this as they do not have an extra 800K lying about but do have the required income stream. That is why the Police Order indicates 800K OR 65K per month.  Can they change it- of course- but no real reason to do that. Imm Officers now can and do ask for added proof  -they know how to read foreign bank statements in English or Pension Letters in English. If another language can get a translator to put it in Thai or English .

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A baiting post and a reply to it have been removed. 

Posts will now be removed without notice. If your posts disappear you can assume you stepped over the line.

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32 minutes ago, smedly said:

posted before but will try again

 

I have up to now used the 800k balance for my 12 month extension, this means that throughout the year up to extension renewal I transfer funds to my Thai bank account (not equal to 65k a month but more like 40k a month) so for the 12 months I transfer 40,000 x 12 = 480k (usually 2x transfers of 240kbaht a year)  baht from outside Thailand which should qualify as verifiable income into my Thai bank account regardless of how many transfers it involves, so that should mean my actual Thai bank balance requires an additional 320k baht seasoned for 3 months to tally up to 800k baht of income and balance using the combo method

 

To me this is the simplest way of providing the Thai Immigration with what they want to see - no need for Embassy involvement at all, no need for any additional paperwork, no need for anything other than your Thai bank statement for the previous 12 months - it is all available through your Thai bank account in Thailand

 

This seems a much better solution than anything being used right now

 

Thoughts

IMO it is a good scheme, although there will be others on here don't agree of course.

 

I have used a combination for my last three extensions (prior to that I deposited 800K into the bank for three months) whereby the embassy letter shows an income amount and I have deposited a lump sum in the bank to cover the rest, however this last time, because of the currency fluctuations, the money I had shown/deposited from the pension income did not quite match the 800K, so there was a shortfall, however I also included copies of my bank account which normally has an average of around 100 K in it, so combined it was alright, although the I/O did comment on it.

 

Not quite the same as you have suggested, because I did use the embassy pension/income letter, however I think what you have suggested is a simple to understand solution.

 

In summary though, good solution as I think it is, what you and others have stated is that the Thai immigration Department is only wanting that which it has always wanted, whereas the "change/fault" lies with the British Embassy and that's where the solution should come from, in my opinion.

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25 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

And that is assuming also that they have the funds to bring in.  Chances are is that that is the reason they use the income method because simply they do not have that amount of money available.

Are you suggesting that the income letter method is the method preferred by fraudsters?

 

I would like to see how that works when the BE asks to see pension slips and/or bank statements. They don't accept rental contracts, work agreements or any other bits of paper that only suggest a revenue stream either.

 

Recently, I have used printed UK bank statements as well as a downloaded version when the last-quarter printed statement is still in the post. They look identical and they are accepted.

 

Hopefully, my local Immigration Office will accept a printed annual statement of account from my local bank that indicates the regular remittances from overseas totaling in excess of their required minimums, just like they did before.

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