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BANGKOK 14 November 2018 07:19
KhunHeineken

Revisiting Sihanoukville.

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10 hours ago, VBF said:

Sorry (and also @phuketrichard)  I was thinking of Soi Bangla in Patong which I can remember when it was a dirt road leading to the beach road - 1985

(Imagine looking down Bangla from Rat-u-thit towards the beach)

So what I was indicating was the fact that both Patong and Snooky have effectively been ruined in much the same way by touristic over development, whether by Chinese greed or by Thai greed, sadly the result is much the same. For me, neither place is worth visiting any more - you may disagree, of course.

 

Also, most of Phuket Island has itself fallen victim to the over-development, as presumably will the other beaches in Snooky fairly soon.

Have I explained myself better this time?

 

NOT true.  it was  paved road when i moved to Phuket, ( Patong. i lived on Nai Na road and it was partially dirt) in early 1985, ( think Nordic bungalows near the 2nd road, intersection on soi Bangla) From beach road thru to 2nd road

If what u say is true why is patong have so many people, shops, clubs, bars,restaurants, hotels etc etc and the ONLY shopping mall's in beach cities on the island?

 

I dont care for Patong at all, (except for my weekly visits to Junk Ceylon)

Its progress

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4 hours ago, phuketrichard said:

NOT true.  it was  paved road when i moved to Phuket, ( Patong. i lived on Nai Na road and it was partially dirt) in early 1985, ( think Nordic bungalows near the 2nd road, intersection on soi Bangla) From beach road thru to 2nd road

If what u say is true why is patong have so many people, shops, clubs, bars,restaurants, hotels etc etc and the ONLY shopping mall's in beach cities on the island?

 

I dont care for Patong at all, (except for my weekly visits to Junk Ceylon)

Its progress

@phuketrichard

 

Here is a picture of Soi Bangla in April 1989 (just before Songkran). I know it is because "Fawlty Towers" was owned by a friend of mine who is a member of Phuket Hash House Harriers - named as "Sybil".😎

 

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That's what I meant by dirt road.

 

You must admit, that compared to then, Patong (and sadly much of Phuket) has been very badly overdeveloped.

I agree that it is what passes as progress....but for whom?

 

 

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36 minutes ago, VBF said:

That's what I meant by dirt road.

Looks much better than that stupid casinos. 

 

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Help me out guys.  I am pretty sure The G'Day Mate Bar was one of these.  It's in the street number range but the new shops don't have their address on them.  I think it may be the shop with the yellow sign which is a real estate agent for Chinese. 

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On 10/11/2018 at 9:45 PM, barmatt said:

I visited in April this year for the first time and will never return. Spent 4 days in Sihanoukville and that was 4 days too long, the place is as dump and over run by Chinese. We did manage to find decent places to eat mainly near the Golden Lion roundabout you will find a very good Italian restaurant "Olive & Olive" at the start of the road to the pier but beware of the huge flies that bother you while you eat. A previous posted mentioned The Big Easy which is also good I liked their pancakes.

For girly bars theres a cluster set off the road just before you get to the roundabout opposite.. a row of casinos. Its not very obvious to find but when you do it runs in a horseshoe shape and has a mix of mostly bars and some eateries. Some very nice girls here some demanding $100us LT which is crazy money for a Cambo girl considering thats a months salary for a normal Cambodian for one nights work. 

Pub Street is a dump and didnt see any girls of quality did a quick round and straight back out but ymmv.

 

Good luck.

Photo 1 Is this the complex you refer to?  They call it The New Square.  I have no idea why there is a sign saying Youth Center.  There is a nightclub attached to it.  I went there at night and there were hookers in various small bars but they all had very little to no customers inside.   

 

Photo 2 shows The Martini Bar.  I asked if it was the same bar that was on the beach and staff told me it was. 

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10 hours ago, scotinsiam said:

Great report KhunHeineken - looks like a massive building site. Do you think you will ever go back?

Thanks.  Good question.  I have found my visit most interesting and have learned a lot about what is happening here and what the Chinese are getting up to here.  I have spoken to educated and mature Khmer people and have learned a lot from them, along with my observations.  I have not interacted with any Chinese people here, but I have confirmed the information I have received with a Chinese friend, however they do not live here.  My friend confirmed the information I have received is accurate when talking about Chinese gambling culture and their mindset and how they fund their gambling and move money around.  I am not saying I know everything about Sihanoukville but I think I can now speak about it with some knowledge.

 

I would never recommend this place as a holiday destination to anyone and I would certainly never stay a long time here now, let alone live here. 

 

I am off to the airport tomorrow morning and when I have more time I will post my thoughts and opinion on things here.

 

I don't wish to offend anyone and I am speaking generally, but as Thailand attracted millions of sex tourists, which caused thousand of bars to open, the Chinese are attracted by gambling, which is causing hundreds of casinos to open.

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One of the worst things about Sihanoukville now are the roads.  I did not see one drop of rain when I was there.  In many cases, the water you see in pot holes has the smell of sewage.  I did not even try to cross the bigger pot hole roads and when I crossed the smaller pot hole roads I would sometimes get a bit of splash on my feet and so I would head to the nearest cafe and order a bottle of water or coffee and go straight to the toilet to use the bum gun and wash it off. 

 

The opposite is the dry roads and the dust it makes.  I'm talking choking and eye watering dust and this is just from the roads, then there is the dust made by all the construction rubble laying around and being moved around.  It's mainly concrete dust.  I did develop a minor sore throat from the dust when riding around.  I am sure it causes many eye infections and problems with breathing.  I can imagine what happens when it rains on the dust bowls.  The roads would be hard to get any traction. 

 

Photo 1 is a typical section of a damaged road with water in it.  It's not hard to see why it's damaged with the heavy trucks on the roads in Sihanoukville now. 

 

Photo 2 is a typical section of a dry and dusty road.  Again, you can see to road being damaged by big construction trucks.  This road has had big rocks put in it because it must have been so deep. 

 

The damaged main roads have caused people to take back streets.  These street were never made to take such traffic.  On many roads they have dumped rubble to block the road off to cars and trucks, only allowing motorcycles to pass. 

 

Photo 3 is one of the small back streets used to get around the damaged main roads. 

 

 

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Khunheineken , hi, no, Susaday was on Ocheatal beach road, opposite the beach where they also had beach chairs and a bar.Ive found out that they closed down and left , back to France. Was talking to a Cambodian friend and he said what’s happened in Sihanoukville is terrible. Over run with Chinese. 

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