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BANGKOK 15 November 2018 00:15
BurgerGung

Delaying the salary by xx days to prevent foreigners from "running"

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The Thais get paid monthly, near the end of the calendar month. But foreign teachers might disappear once they get paid, so the reasoning has been let's pay them xx days later.

 

Q: Is that something you encountered?

 

Can this be legal?

 

Why not pay staff quarterly? German insurance companies pay doctors quarterly (my sister hung her shingle and she must prepay rent, staff, ... only to wait to get reimbursed.

 

Just wondering.

 

 

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Years ago I recall Korean's did something like this. I believe by law you are to be paid on or before the last day of the month of which you worked (1st) in Thailand. I think your posit illegal. It sounds like something a shitty agency would do, public school just couldn't be bothered.

 

Non B holders are already in a corner. It takes weeks to normally unwind a visa and wp. It is still possible to fly out, but if you're planning on returning and beginning a job search I think your will have issues with immigration.

 

So, imo it's already baked in. Nevertheless, I can see agencies doing this.

 

NEVER work for a fing agency

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When I worked for a Language School/Agency, many years ago, they paid the teachers on the 5th of every month.  This was done because of their cash flow, the schools were supposed to pay them on the 1st, so the money would usually clear by the 5th.  It was a real pain because there were always some teachers who didn't have enough money put aside to pay their rent on time!

 

 

BTW:  I am not defending this practice, just explaining it.

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If they say they will pay you x number of days after the end of the month and they pay you x number of days after the end of the month, they are paying you on-time.





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The pay schedule is often set forth in the contract, and that should be honored.   I know one school that pays on or before the 2nd of the next month.   Sometimes they pay sooner, but (almost) never later than that.   In 20+ years of association with them, there was only once they paid later and that was due to an unscheduled holiday which meant no work until the 3rd.   The school did offer to have someone be at the school to pay those that actually wanted to come in on a long holiday, but no one took up the offer.

 

I would be very suspicious of places that don't pay on time.   Many teachers work to pay the bills and everything from rent on down is scheduled around the pay period.  

 

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19 hours ago, BurgerGung said:

Why not pay staff quarterly?

5555!!!  You REALLY think the average foreign teacher has enough self-discipline to make their money last that long? Too many teachers are broke and desperate three days before payday. And when the school surprises everyone by delaying payday a day or two, then the REAL panic starts!

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I even get paid between the 26th and 28th of the month, well before the end of the month thus. The same day government teachers receive their salary.

 

But I do know that at some schools Thai contract teachers sometimes don't get paid for months because the school didn't receive the budget for that yet. They have to stick it up or find another job.

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I've heard some private school owners only pay part of the hourly rate, paying the balance at the end of any particular course

 

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what is not clear to me from above posts; when you say paid on 2nd paid on 25th paid on 3rd,

for what month, current? previous? next?

 

in my (non Thai environment) salary payment for current month tend to be between 12th and 18th,

civil service, retirees, private sector having different dates

 

rents also tend to be collected about mid month (for current month) 

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one private school I know pays fortnightly!

 

incidentally if a payday falls on a Sunday, there is no reason not to get pid the day

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I believe by law all companies must pay by the first. That's why the banks are choked first week of the month.

 

In US they pay weekly, biweekly and monthly. Expense checks come whenever.

 

I think that law is laid down precisely so payday is bw and known by all and sundry.

 

I'm very much of the belief paying after the first of the month is illegal.

 

If payday (1) falls on weekend, you are supposed to get paid on the Friday. Or even if a Monday holiday, pay on Friday.

 

I always get a bit of a laugh when teachers are going nuts over a small pay snafu. I mean you're working in Thailand, for shit money. What do you expect? It's actually pretty consistent at public schools. Full grown adults that can't manage a shortfall for a few days.

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23 hours ago, ozmeldo said:

I believe by law you are to be paid on or before the last day of the month of which you worked (1st) in Thailand.

 

29 minutes ago, ozmeldo said:

I believe by law all companies must pay by the first.

I think you are wrong about the first.  I don't remember for sure, but think it's the 3rd.  Definitely not the first.  Someone with a copy of the Labor Act could find it - if it's that important.

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Don't know what the law is but at a Thai friend's factory, he calculates all his workforces salary from the first day to the last day in the month then pay them on the fifteenth of the following month.

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15 hours ago, quandow said:

5555!!!  You REALLY think the average foreign teacher has enough self-discipline to make their money last that long? Too many teachers are broke and desperate three days before payday. And when the school surprises everyone by delaying payday a day or two, then the REAL panic starts!

So you're saying that even though German insurance companies pay doctors quarterly, that doesn't represent a logical premise for paying teachers in Thailand who live payday to payday?  Radical thinking sir.

 

On 11/4/2018 at 10:51 AM, BurgerGung said:

German insurance companies pay doctors quarterly 

 

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I'm pretty sure its illegal, in was under the impression that in Thai law its illegal to withhold any money in a form of a deposit, which is in essence what they are doing here.

 

I have seen it all - payday halfway through the month, deposits, book deposits, etc - Whatever way, the admin always seems to win, I once worked for a school who stung the Filipino and Thai teachers with a "compulsory saving scheme", but I have also seen so many "teachers" calling in their resignation from the airport as they headed back to the Bangkok after the a couple of days sick to bridge the gap to payday, what do the honest teachers expect will happen.

 

Someone mentioned before that it sounded like an agency trick .. I must have been lucky because the only time I have ever seen these strokes pulled was on direct contract with government and bilingual schools. 

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