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BANGKOK 13 November 2018 12:22
bluesofa

Monthly transfer to Thai bank for extension of stay

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If a regular monthly transfer from a US to a Thai bank account is made, is this acceptable for a Non O annual extension of stay based on retirement?

 

If so, how much is required per month - do I remember correctly it’s about 65,000 Baht?

 

Is there any proof required to show that is has come from abroad, or is that not necessary?

 

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Nothing in the police order states it must be deposited in a Thai bank. Currently it only says proof of 65,000 baht a month income or 800,000 baht deposited in a Thai bank. Just not sure what they will accept as proof for the 65,000 baht. This is what needs to be clarified. Too many rumors floating around.

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Allow me my 5 cents about the income affidavit case.

 

I think that Immigration is not going to accept banking receipts over monthly money coming into your Thai bank account from abroad, as a proof of income.

 

Why I think so?

 

Well, it is not scam-proof ! . . . . . . . because you literally can spray fog over the fact that you, let’s say, only make 45,000 THB per month. Imagine you hold two bank accounts in Thailand, and use only ONE for receiving 65,000+ THB from your USA or UK account every month. In Thailand you withdraw cash 20,000 THB from account #1 and put into account #2. Then you transfer the 20,000 THB to your USA/UK account. (Fees and exchange rate losses not taken into consideration here,ok?) In the meantime, your USA/UK account has accumulated another 45,000 THB and you top this up with the 20,000 THB to make the next transfer of 65,000 THB from USA/UK to Thailand.

 

Let’s call this an “Income carousel” or a “transfer carousel”. You could actually hide the fact that your income is much much less than the 65,000 THB needed for the extensions, while not needing 800,000 in a bank. I consider the Thai side clever enough for not being aware of the possibility

 

By the way, as of now nothing is in the written from Thailand's Immigration Police about what they will accept as proof of income once in mid summer next year the affidavits which can still be had until 30 th December and are valid for use as income proof for six months, become void.  At the moment all you can do and wait for the Thai Immigration to publish something written about this matter

 

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22 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

If a regular monthly transfer from a US to a Thai bank account is made, is this acceptable for a Non O annual extension of stay based on retirement?

As of today it would not be accepted unless it was back up proof for the required income proof from an embassy or consulate.

If it was accepted it would be a minimum of 65k baht unless using the combination of money in the bank and it.

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Sorry to hijack the topic...but does anyone know what the fines are for late extension applications...looks like I will be a week late. Would it help if I notified IO that I will be late or just turn up a week late and pay the fine...or would they refuse my application and make me re-apply for a new non O ?

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If you have 65,000 baht of salary coming to any account (US,UK,Thai) every month you have the means to prove it. Only people that don't have the money can't figure out how to prove.  Even a clown like me knows that. 

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5 minutes ago, BoBoTheClown said:

If you have 65,000 baht of salary coming to any account (US,UK,Thai) every month you have the means to prove it. Only people that don't have the money can't figure out how to prove.  Even a clown like me knows that. 

you firstly have to prove that you are earning a salary.  That's the point with showing proof of income for an extension of stay. Only secondly they need to see that your salary is 65,000+ THB or above.  Only showing bank slips stating that every month, 65000+ THB are transferred into your account, could (??) probably not seen as a proof of income. Do you see my point?  As of today, it is not clear if bank slips will be accepted as being proof.  Only notarized legalized income letters are accepted as proof as of today

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17 minutes ago, Bert Jones said:

Sorry to hijack the topic...but does anyone know what the fines are for late extension applications...looks like I will be a week late. Would it help if I notified IO that I will be late or just turn up a week late and pay the fine...or would they refuse my application and make me re-apply for a new non O ?

It seems that your permit of stay is now void, and in order to get an extension, you need to get a new Non-Imm-O or O/A Visa again and start the whole process all over

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I spoke directly to the officer at the Irish embassy in Bangkok...they are still issuing affidavits and will continue to do so. They do actually scrutinise my statements and a one point rejected my application... 

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17 minutes ago, Bert Jones said:

Sorry to hijack the topic...but does anyone know what the fines are for late extension applications...looks like I will be a week late. Would it help if I notified IO that I will be late or just turn up a week late and pay the fine...or would they refuse my application and make me re-apply for a new non O ?

You will be fined 500 baht for every day of overstay after your extension ends.

It will depend upon the immigration office where you apply but most would allow you to pay the overstay fine and then apply for the extension. 

It would not hurt to talk to your office first.

If married to a Thai you could apply for a 60 day extension to visit your wife.

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6 minutes ago, crazygreg44 said:

It seems that your permit of stay is now void, and in order to get an extension, you need to get a Non-Imm-O or O/A Visa again and start the whole process all over

That depends upon the immigration office but most office will allow an extension after the overstay fine is paid.

I have read of people doing it 2 weeks late and they were advised to do it that way  by a immigration officer.

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22 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

As of today it would not be accepted unless it was back up proof for the required income proof from an embassy or consulate.

If it was accepted it would be a minimum of 65k baht unless using the combination of money in the bank and it.

UJ,

I understand completely about embassies and this latest proof of income issue, as I'm under the impression that nothing is verified on a per-applicant basis.

 

I don't follow why it's not accepted by immigration that a Thai bank could (I assume?) provide proof of the cash coming from abroad regularly, on a transaction-by-transaction basis? They accept 800K Baht balance in the account.

Or have I missed something obvious here?

 

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19 minutes ago, BoBoTheClown said:

If you have 65,000 baht of salary coming to any account (US,UK,Thai) every month you have the means to prove it. Only people that don't have the money can't figure out how to prove.  Even a clown like me knows that. 

I can prove that I have over 65,000 coming into my UK bank. Unfortunately the British Embassy cannot/will not prove it to the Thais in future.

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