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BANGKOK 14 December 2018 02:44
mercman24

Jobsworth In Immigration Today

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The point the OP is making is valid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobsworth
 
 
So you expect immigration officers, policemen etc to have "common sense" and "compassion" for bending and breaking the rules they were hired to upkeep? Where does it end?
-2, 5 or 10 days short of 90d seasoning?
- 1, 3 or 5 seconds driving through red light?
- 5 or 20 days of overstay?
- let you drive while drunk until how much over the limit?
- tbc


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Had a similar situation forced on me by a family members illness a 3 years ago. Had to get back to UK, funds were 5 days short, extension of stay was due to expire whilst I would be away.

I asked at immigratio in Chiangmai, an officer said no but I was direcited to a new unsigned shop almost next door. Surprise, for a fee my extension of stay was granted that same morning. In fact I was one of the first to use this service( one time only for me, normally diy), turned out it was the beginning of many problems for customers at that immigration office.

Hopefully currently resolved after the appearance of BJ, time will tell.

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1 hour ago, Swiss1960 said:

So you expect immigration officers, policemen etc to have "common sense" and "compassion" for bending and breaking the rules they were hired to upkeep? Where does it end?
-2, 5 or 10 days short of 90d seasoning?

But they offered to do just that, in exchange for a bribe.  If it were "rules are rules no matter what," at least that would be consistent.  In the "jobsworth" 2-day short seasoning-case, he was 70K Baht over the required minimum, so not much of a stretch to use his "authority to waive seasoning" to do it - but they used that as an opportunity to try to solicit a bribe, instead.

 

54 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Had a similar situation forced on me by a family members illness a 3 years ago. Had to get back to UK, funds were 5 days short, extension of stay was due to expire whilst I would be away.

I asked at immigratio in Chiangmai, an officer said no but I was direcited to a new unsigned shop almost next door. Surprise, for a fee my extension of stay was granted that same morning. In fact I was one of the first to use this service( one time only for me, normally diy),

It wouldn't be so bad, if it was only special-favors (a bit early, a few baht-short) which required "agent assistance," but, as you noted ...

 

54 minutes ago, Thailand said:

turned out it was the beginning of many problems for customers at that immigration office.

Yes, no doubt they began finding lots of "problems" which only the money through the guy next door could fix.  I've been through this first-hand - no special favors, all paperwork in-order and on-time - but "agent" service was the only option that would be accepted.

 

A really cute trick reported at that office, is requiring "appointments" for Non-O stamps, the dates of which begin way out in the future, while also increasing the "must apply with X days before your permitted-stay expires" time-frame.  This combination makes it impossible to get this service in-person, but with an agent-bribe - no problem.

 

54 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Hopefully currently resolved after the appearance of BJ, time will tell. 

That's not what BJ was installed to stop, it would seem  So far, they are only busting those who are trying to run their own independent bribe-services (i.e. "without sharing the loot").  With the embassy-letters going away, I predict the agent-business will be booming.  At most, they might have to throw a couple under-the-bus to make things look good.  Too bad they aren't publicly traded companies, or we could at least get dividends to offset part of the "handling fees" (which cost 10x the actual extension cost), which they will have everyone forking-over, sooner or later.

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2 hours ago, Swiss1960 said:

So you expect immigration officers, policemen etc to have "common sense" and "compassion" for bending and breaking the rules they were hired to upkeep? Where does it end?
-2, 5 or 10 days short of 90d seasoning?
- 1, 3 or 5 seconds driving through red light?
- 5 or 20 days of overstay?
- let you drive while drunk until how much over the limit?
- tbc


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The examples you state are totally different  to the OPs situation.  Read what jobsworth means and maybe you will understand.  Seasoning  as we know is at the discretion  of the I. O which is his point, they could have done what he wanted but they didn't as they are a jobsworth 

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On 11/16/2018 at 11:57 AM, Swiss1960 said:

Why do you believe the angry claim of somebody who was just rejected trying to circumvent the rules?

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Circumvent the rules or circumvent the required 16,000 to do so?

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Beginning to understand why they are giving some a hard time over tourist visas...... More money to be made it the Retirement/Marriage racket.

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On 11/15/2018 at 10:53 PM, GeorgeCross said:

so much for the BJ anti-corruption clean-up

But you knew this before settling here. Not a new revelation. Corruption is rampant in the society. When National Anti-Corruption Commission brushes aside high profile cases and focuses on political cases, you know corruption runs deep to the highest highest level. 

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