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BANGKOK 18 January 2019 16:19
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Saudi teen who fled family leaves Thailand for asylum in Canada

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11 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

 <SNIP> Spending a few billion does not make these barbarians any more civilised.

I was responding to the query concerning KSA aid, not KSA's record of human rights. 

 

KSA human rights abuses are well documented by the likes of the US State Department, yet many Western countries do business with them, so take your concerns up with your local MP / relevant Minister. In addition there are a number of TVF members who have worked / served in their countries military in KSA; perhaps you should ask them what their justification was when KSA human rights abuses have been known for decades.

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On 1/12/2019 at 7:17 AM, kannot said:

Good  luck and dont forget your  fellow  countrywomen and start a campaign to make more folk aware  of the sickness of religion.

The religion itself is not sick. Its the people running it that are sick. Take indonesia and malaysia for example. They are far more relaxed regarding Islam. And have adapted nearly all. Aspects of Islam to modern day society. Its the governments that have control over religion at the end of the day and how it is played out and executed thought the nation. Hell if you truly look back at Christianity even the the very beginnings it has some seriously dark parts to it that would make it no better then the islam you are bashing it those aspects were still being practiced today. But they are not as religious leaders and country leaders haven't allowed it and have modernized the religion as needs to be according to the times. 

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On 1/12/2019 at 9:00 AM, eggers said:

Hang on, she, UNHCR & Thai Gov't were originally saying she wanted to go to Australia, now all of a sudden,"left the building".... going to Canada!! All seems a bit dodgy!! 

Might have seen reports regarding a Saudi footballer held in Bangkok prison trying to do similar refuge in Australia. His story seemed to be dragging out with less assistance from Australia than he originally hoped for. I dont know his full story but maybe she came to beleive Canada was a safer bet she could quickly realize. Australian news services reported that both Canada and Australia had sent ministers to Thailand and were in talks with the UN and the girl. Good luck young young lady at least now you have the freedom to determine your own future as is everybodies right.

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21 minutes ago, brian2f2f said:

The religion itself is not sick. Its the people running it that are sick.

Apostasy..................I mean you either  follow the "great"  (sic)  book or you dont, you cant pick and choose  you  know, after all its the word of god ................all religion is sick...............so god was  wrong?? 

 https://classroom.synonym.com/what-does-islam-teach-about-infidelity-12087565.html

verse, 24:2, that calls for "fornicators or adulterers" to be given lashes as well, but not death, though it is unclear if this refers to married or unmarried sex.

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The Saudis, particularly her family, will never forgive her.

 

They will punish anyone in Saudi who showed any sympathy for her and worse for anyone that assisted her escape or continues to communicate with her. They will use this punishment of sympathisers as leverage to try to get her to return.

 

They will have people seek her out in Canada, purporting to be friends, and try to lure her into an embassy or consulate or diplomatic residence or private plane or yacht and then force her back to Saudi Arabia against her will.

 

They will use third countries as agents to detain and extradite her.

 

They could abduct her off the street.

 

As we have recently seen, assassination is another tool in their armoury.

 

They have form in this regard.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/15/saudi-arabia-new-details-of-dissident-princes-abductions-emerge

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12 minutes ago, brian2f2f said:

would make it no better then the islam you are bashing

ill make  no distinction between any of  them, all equally abhorrent.

Always  find it amazing it can be "adapted"......so  God  said  x but you can adapt  that later when society thinks it doesnt like/want it...........pick and choose.

If anything was ever man made it was religion

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6 minutes ago, brian2f2f said:

The religion itself is not sick. Its the people running it that are sick. Take indonesia and malaysia for example. They are far more relaxed regarding Islam. And have adapted nearly all. Aspects of Islam to modern day society. Its the governments that have control over religion at the end of the day and how it is played out and executed thought the nation. Hell if you truly look back at Christianity even the the very beginnings it has some seriously dark parts to it that would make it no better then the islam you are bashing it those aspects were still being practiced today. But they are not as religious leaders and country leaders haven't allowed it and have modernized the religion as needs to be according to the times. 

i agree with your comments except for "the people running it that are sick". there are two major points (among a dozen otheres) which should be taken into consideration

 

-Islam exists since less than 1500 years. if you look at Christianity (not only the very beginnings) but all the way to the 1800s and even later you find as much intolerance as in Islam. genocide in the Americas, the 30 years' war 1618 till 1648 which devatasted Europe, burning of witches all over Europe, the inquisition in Spain and last not least the wars between "Christian nations".

 

-the grip that the House of Saud applies over its population with the help of Wahhabism.

 

perhaps Islam will adapt and get modernised according to "our times". after all they are more than six centuries "back" living still in their times. but i wouldn't hold my breath.

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22 hours ago, Naam said:

where does it day she is an apostate? :coffee1:

Almost all news outlets carrying the story have reported this.

 

The following quote from the Independent Newspaper is but one example:

 

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Ms Al-Qunun said she had renounced Islam – known as apostasy and punishable by death in Saudi Arabia

Rahaf al-Qunun

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On 1/11/2019 at 6:17 PM, kannot said:

Good  luck and dont forget your  fellow  countrywomen and start a campaign to make more folk aware  of the sickness of religion.


It's a good show as Justin Trudeau is relatively pro Islam.

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2 minutes ago, SilverBeast said:


It's a good show as Justin Trudeau is relatively pro Islam.

that would be the last thing she'd want to know!   for feeling secure'n'safe

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