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The Price Of Wine

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Maybe it is becasue they want us to start drinking, and enjoying the good local produced stuff.

:o

I am under the impression that Thai wines are taxed at the same absurd rates as imported wines. The government isn't hip to the health promoting qualities of wine and/or doesn't give a fig about anything but money for the beer/whiskey mafias.

Yes it's an excise tax not import (or maybe there is both). So Thai wines are expensive as well. There are a very few that are OK - nothing special. The Kao Yai wine area is a nice weekend visit not so far from Bangkok.

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Try Lao Kaow, that is cheaper........ :D:o

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<br />Try Lao Kaow, that is cheaper........ <img src="style_emoticons/default/burp.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="burp.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="drunk.gif" /><br />

haha :D on a side note, they produce all alcool from rice, like sansom, all the whiskies and add color, flavor and water to create the product needed but why don't they produce sake?

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<br />Try Lao Kaow, that is cheaper........ <img src="style_emoticons/default/burp.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="burp.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="drunk.gif" /><br />

haha :D on a side note, they produce all alcool from rice, like sansom, all the whiskies and add color, flavor and water to create the product needed but why don't they produce sake?

Give the locals some credit, when was the last time you saw Japanese guys drinking something other than a cola in a bar in Thailand?

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Tried some Monsoon Valley white wine recently. It was actually quite drinkable and nothing like the syrup I've tried before.

Maybe the Thai brewers should see wine as an opportunity, but it might be a long while before the locals acquire the taste for it.

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In Europe and Oz you can buy a good wine for Aud$ 20 - $ 50 and very good one from say $ 50- $ 100 .The 500-600 baht wines here are more like cooking wines and they equate to around $ 20 Aud where you have a decent wine ,

The idea of high duties is to protect the local market ,problem is there is no real local market to protect , i think it is more to make more money from the Wine drinking Ferang , Since no industry is being protected here and wine not popular with the locals so who really cares ,unlike spirits where taxes are low and well embraced by the local community.

Just another silly tax ,no reason they will drop as no votes will be won

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In Europe and Oz you can buy a good wine for Aud$ 20 - $ 50 and very good one from say $ 50- $ 100 .The 500-600 baht wines here are more like cooking wines and they equate to around $ 20 Aud where you have a decent wine ,

I'd regard 15 to 25 as the price for a good wine 25 to 50 for a very good wine 50 to 100 should be excellent (not including hill of grace or grange etc).

Iam based in south Australia though.

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Heard recently that Grapes have started being imported from outside Thailand and fermented here locally to get round some of the hefty import duty on wines.

Seems to be true. Tesco has a decent quality 10L box of wine that is made in Thailand with imported South African grapes.

950B for 10L of 'quality' wine is the best wine deal I've found so far.

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Some Thai vineyards are now making some really quite drinkable stuff. The Granmonte Winery in Khao Yai was voted 6th most promising vineyard globally a few years back in one of the trade mags. Not a bad achievement for a fledgling sector here. There are a couple of Shiraz vintages they've done that would surprise you. The whites I've tried (Chenin Blanc) have been less successful IMO.

Value for money they are not though, largely because of the high taxes already mentioned, but also because of small production runs. Many vineyards in the Khao Yai area have teamed up to bottle their own wines via a cooperative bottler to help bring costs down, but that in itself can cause some quality control issues.

Anyway, well worth a visit to the region (2 hours north of BKK). Lot's of tasting to be done for free at all the vineyards, if the owners are around they are happy to chat, and a couple of them have good restaurants too.

Real shame about the taxes - HK has just cut its wine tax to a big fat zero.

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Why is wine that expensive in Thailand, is it a combination of import taxes and demand ? At home (not in France), supermarkets offer a huge selection of perfect drinkable wines in the 300 Baht range.

And seems to have become much more expensive recently as well. You used to be able to get some fairly decent offers in Villa and the like (buy one, get one, buy two get one) which meant the price per bottle was reasonable. My last trip there did not see even one offer, and individual bottles mostly up above 500 baht per. Even the local Lotus has little below 450 per bottle.

And Thai "wine" -not the fruit stuff, just the stuff they sell as "wine" - undrinkable.

i just had a glass of wine with the head of the largest wine importer in thailand, he told me the import duty for wines was 430%

i'll stick to chang.

430%??? You sure that's right? Foodland sell bottles of Jacobs Creek in the 800-1000 baht range....so they are less than 250 baht before they get here? That can't be right surely.....

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For those of you who are based here in the Northeast of Thailand or are making visa runs to Vientiene it is possible to purchase some very good wine at reasonable prices from the duty free at the Lao side of the friendship bridge. I have often bought bottles of Penfold Bin 2 wine at about 400 baht per bottle, I am told that in Bangkok the same wine retails for around 1800 baht. I have asked the customs at the bridge in Nong Khai about bringing a case of 12 bottles of wine into Thailand and they said " no problem" but I have yet to be brave enough to risk it, prefering to bring just a few bottles, carried by myself and my girlfiend, and have not had any problems to date.

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You used to be able to get some fairly decent offers in Villa and the like (buy one, get one, buy two get one) which meant the price per bottle was reasonable. My last trip there did not see even one offer, and individual bottles mostly up above 500 baht per. Even the local Lotus has little below 450 per bottle.

Actually, Villa are thieves and liars. They advertise wines as part of a two-for-one deal, but double the normal price. I would love to see them get punished for this, but fat chance. It's a great pity, because they have a great selection. But how can you trust a company that acts like this? I have questioned staff and management about this shoddy tactic but surprise, surprise have just been met with denials. As someone who buys half a dozen bottles a month at the already high prices one has to pay in Thailand, I have taken my custom elsewhere. I suggest others do the same.

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Wine is drunk by farangs.. so tax on wine then equals another farang tax..

Win win..

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According to the Excise Department web site the excise tax on wine is 50%. (I thought it was now 60%.) The import tariff is 54% (only 40% on Australian wine). Then there's a municipal tax of 10% of the excise tax, the value added tax (VAT) of 7% and the health support project tax of 2%.

The crazy thing is that these are all ad valorem taxes based on the CIF price of the wine. A more enlightened policy might tax alcoholic beverages based on the percentage of alcohol. The current policy encourages the purchase and consumption of beverages high in alcohol content. (More bang for the buck.)

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430%??? You sure that's right? Foodland sell bottles of Jacobs Creek in the 800-1000 baht range....so they are less than 250 baht before they get here? That can't be right surely.....

Base range of jacobs creek are around $8US http://www.wineaccess.com/store/canalshami...ducer_id=112226

Id look up the wholesale price here in S.A, but not at work :o dare say it would be cheaper around $4 to $5 aus depending on amount bought.

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