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Thanks to Kevin for starting this thread. Sadly it hasn't stopped bars getting busted on Loi Kroh and last night they took half a dozen places in the Entertainment Plaza. The 'fines' are up to 50,000 + 5,000 for the 'licence'plus 10,000 as a 'present' to the police not to have your wife/girlfriend fingerprinted which they tell you will will leave her with criminal record and unable to leave Thailand.

It is a scam. The company RKT publishing only owns the rights to 65 tracks of music by half a dozen Thai bands singing in English. The 'licence'they make you buy only entitles you to play these 65 tracks. They appear authentic (and frightening unless you know what you are doing) because they have police support - you are taken to the police station as part of the proces and to pay the 'fine' RKT have been known to plant CD's containing their tracks in victims premesis.

We called the guys ay 1stopmusic.com who are leag and represent orgainisations like Britains Performing Rights Society. They told us they dont normally bother with small bars and restaurants under about 100 covers- it's simply too much trouble and they do not go round with the police and confiscate equipment under any circumstances. However when a group of us bar owners in Loi Kroh decided we wanted to get these licences to prevent this kind of problem in the future, they negotiated discounted rates for us. which were,we felt very reasonable. There are 2 types of licence one to play recorded music, the other to play music via a computer.

These licences are to play foreign music only -no Thai- which costs more. You do not need a licence to play music via teh UBC?Truevisions radio stations, as UBC?True already possess one. Please pass this info on to any bar owners you know, Thai or Farang - both have been targetted.

Another nasty little scam -which wouldn't work but for the boys in brown!

   A nice lady at RKT  publishing (www.rktpublishing -  tel 02-861-1655-8) said that although they have sales people in CHM they shouldn't be fining folk 50,000 baht, but they may offer to sell you a licence for the few Thai songs that they have copyrights to. I told her what was happening and she seemed surprised . I suggested that this was not good publicity for their company and she agreed. 

  Now that they have been made aware of this forum, maybe RKT would like to explain to us what this is all about?

  I will refuse to pay these people, ask for  a copy of their Thai ID and take a photo of all concerned and see what happens. They seem to make an excuse and leave when they come under any scrutiny. :o

  They seem to be preying on Farang owned bars. They may not even represent this company?

  Most of the Copyright scams concern Thai music so give them what they seem to want and don't play Thai music - it's too much hassle. :D

  

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Thanks to Kevin for starting this thread. Sadly it hasn't stopped bars getting busted on Loi Kroh and last night they took half a dozen places in the Entertainment Plaza. The 'fines' are up to 50,000 + 5,000 for the 'licence'plus 10,000 as a 'present' to the police not to have your wife/girlfriend fingerprinted which they tell you will will leave her with criminal record and unable to leave Thailand.

It is a scam. The company RKT publishing only owns the rights to 65 tracks of music by half a dozen Thai bands singing in English. The 'licence'they make you buy only entitles you to play these 65 tracks. They appear authentic (and frightening unless you know what you are doing) because they have police support - you are taken to the police station as part of the proces and to pay the 'fine' RKT have been known to plant CD's containing their tracks in victims premesis.

We called the guys ay 1stopmusic.com who are leag and represent orgainisations like Britains Performing Rights Society. They told us they dont normally bother with small bars and restaurants under about 100 covers- it's simply too much trouble and they do not go round with the police and confiscate equipment under any circumstances. However when a group of us bar owners in Loi Kroh decided we wanted to get these licences to prevent this kind of problem in the future, they negotiated discounted rates for us. which were,we felt very reasonable. There are 2 types of licence one to play recorded music, the other to play music via a computer.

These licences are to play foreign music only -no Thai- which costs more. You do not need a licence to play music via teh UBC?Truevisions radio stations, as UBC?True already possess one. Please pass this info on to any bar owners you know, Thai or Farang - both have been targetted.

Another nasty little scam -which wouldn't work but for the boys in brown!

Years ago, a similar scam was run here on Samui, going after "pirated software" Confiscating PC's and hefty fines, driving around in 2 Volvo Limousines, on the first ones windshield was written "Here comes the law", lousy, lousiest...... at those days, there was NOT A single PC with OEM or legal software available on samui, it was always HD to HD....have recently seen a raid of a copy cat CD/DVD shop... seems to be the annual "license fee" collection day!

Do things by the book, as much as possible, no trouble, no open gates for the suckers...! as simpleas that!

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Do things by the book, as much as possible, no trouble, no open gates for the suckers...! as simpleas that!

UTTER CRAP! - I actually did believe in this mantra the first couple of years I ran a small streetlevel business in Thailand and actually did act accordingly. - That does NOT prevent copyright scams of the kind that is widespread in Thailand. Have you ever run a streetlevel business in Thailand - potential victim to police accompanied setups like described in this thread as well as others linked to? - If that's the case - what kind of business and for how long?

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Hi all, I am new to this forum, living in Chiang Mai.

I sponsor one of the bars mentioned above.

We were fined 40,000 a few nights ago, mainly for

having a CD case full of burned MP3's. guilty as charged.

I don't see how anyone can refuse paying up on the spot as the

police drag off the bar manager down to the monkeyhouse.

they will not release them until the money is paid. (or you know the cop boss)

I wanted to just get it over with. :o:D

Yes, its just another scam, annual fee 5,000.. peace of mind... pffft!

Anyway board members,

I hope to enjoy reading your blogs and contributing myself more in the future.

Cheers, chok dee krap. Piewarmer.

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Hi all, I am new to this forum, living in Chiang Mai.

I sponsor one of the bars mentioned above.

We were fined 40,000 a few nights ago, mainly for

having a CD case full of burned MP3's. guilty as charged.

I don't see how anyone can refuse paying up on the spot as the

police drag off the bar manager down to the monkeyhouse.

they will not release them until the money is paid. (or you know the cop boss)

I wanted to just get it over with. :o:D

Yes, its just another scam, annual fee 5,000.. peace of mind... pffft!

Anyway board members,

I hope to enjoy reading your blogs and contributing myself more in the future.

Cheers, chok dee krap. Piewarmer.

    They are preying on people's ignorance of the law and fear of the police. As far as I know there are a few companies that own copyrights for music in Thailand. I would ask them for a list of their copyrighted songs. The fact that you had copies of MP3's is irrelevant if they don't own the copyright for the songs you copied. Ask for their ID and a contact number for their superiors.  Rfuse to pay and tell them to speak with your lawyer (even if you don't have one).

  

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If you put me in the monkey house for 10 minutes, I would be begging to pay. :o

thats the way it is, you don't get to pay a small bail and deal with legalities later.

never got a receipt for the 40K , what a surprise,

beware, they are now roaming Chiang Rai.

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If you put me in the monkey house for 10 minutes, I would be begging to pay. :o

thats the way it is, you don't get to pay a small bail and deal with legalities later.

never got a receipt for the 40K , what a surprise,

beware, they are now roaming Chiang Rai.

As I said before - these folk are preying on ignorance and fear.

See this article. I'll maybe send an email to them.

http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/index.php?p=876&print=1

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I heard from a friend who's wife owned an internet cafe that they got shaken down for a hefty fine for having "copied" Thai music on one of the computers in her shop about a year ago. It was their habit to clear down the publicly accessed parts of the hard drives frequently to get rid of the garbage that people leave and one day after they just had done this routine it seems that a couple of guys came in and dropped some files on a machine. They were followed in about an hour or two later by some "officials" from the copyright police along with some real coppers who confisated the computer and served them a summons. At first he thought he would have to drop someone a couple of grand but it ended up costing him nearer 25 if I recall. How real the officials were he never found out.

Funny how things get "moderated" as time goes by. As usual, the best gossip in town originates from TV:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/What-s-Name-...on-t142566.html

Not sure I understand your comment but it was Wadsy who told me about the incident before he and his family returned to Oz.

I knew a woman in Chiang Mai who had this problem at her internet cafe. People representing the offended music company came in and insisted they go to the police station with 1 specific computer that they already knew had the files. Unfortunately she complied and went to the station where she paid (i think about 10,000b) for them to drop the charges.

Also, my wife used to work at a Karaoke place and they got caught many years ago for playing Thai music from certain labels without the license. Ever since the place had to buy a license to play music from that label, cannot play music from another specific label because they can't afford the license for that label, and they can play a bit of music from some other little labels. And now at our bar, she is always nervous to play any Thai music but we have never heard of any issue with farang music.

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Just got nailed with this one last night. My place is in the Ramkampaeng area in Bangkok. Same company: RKT Publishing. Plainly obvious they are working with the police on this scam. Same MO, raid the bar and bring the manager to the police station, then proceed to extort money for release. There is really nothing you can do but pay. They hauled in about 4 bar owners that night, they promised there would be many more to come...

I had the Grammy license, didnt know about the RKT license. Never got an invoice or request for payment. This is definitely an organized extortion scam.

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not just farang targets, the cops with a squad of 5 copyright folk raid thai markets for fake doraemon and hello kitty products...

i guess being jap companies they have more sway.. maybe sony japan is hot on music...

the fines for the small shops selling bits and bobs of doraemon goes upto 40,000 baht. im not sure how much is really paid. wouldnt be suprised if it all had to be paid - in installments.

they must sell well, as the offending shops restock and sell more doraemon after a few days. maybe its the same stock!!

psstt.. wanna buy some 'ello kitty?

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If you put me in the monkey house for 10 minutes, I would be begging to pay. :o

thats the way it is, you don't get to pay a small bail and deal with legalities later.

never got a receipt for the 40K , what a surprise,

beware, they are now roaming Chiang Rai.

As I said before - these folk are preying on ignorance and fear.

See this article. I'll maybe send an email to them.

Hi,

Did you write that email and if, do you kow the status of that amended law?

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The folks at Art Cafe told me that the police came to their restaurant last week and arrested two workers and took their CD player and Thai and Western music and demanded a lot of money. Their lawyer and a Police neighbor got invcolved and got in reduced to something like 10,000 baht.

Is this really legal?

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