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Yesterday evening the music police was very active again taking many computers etc without the licenses.

My question is: Can they Just take a computer when it is in your shop? I mean, a friend of mine has a computer in his restaurant, he was Not playing music but they took the machine anyway.

He had to pay 30.000 baht, or go to court, in that case he had to pay security money 50.000 baht.

Can anyone tell me what is legal and what not?

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We had a guy dressed like an off duty police officer come into our restaurant last week who wanted to look at our computer. the staff let him and he demanded to speak to the owners. We were not in at the time so they called us so that we could speak to him.

He told us that he had found mp3's on the hard drive and that we were going to have to pay a fine. He started to get into the whole "but maybe we can settle this before it goes so far right here and now blah blah blah" when my wife started asking a couple of quite normal questions, like who exactly he was, was he a police officer etc. at which point he got quite angry (and evasive).

Long story short, we told him that we would either meet him the next day at the police station, to clear things up, or we would ask our lawyer to work with him that evening. He hung up the phone angrily and stormed out and we haven't heard from him since.

I still don't know who he was or if he represented any legitimate group.

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have heard several stories in the past week of venues being visited by a person claiming to be a government official, albeit without any corroborating identification, accompanied by a uniformed police officer. the fee has been 50k baht or they take your computer away. sounds bent as <deleted>, but no surprise there of course.

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I just SOLD a bar last year and I know for a FACT IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THE POLICE OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER TO TAKE YOUR COMPUTER :) This happened to me and I phoned my Lawyer and he said it was illegal for the police to take your computer !!! When I went to the cop shop I said give me back my computer NOW or I will press charges !!! 10 sec later I had my computer back !! :D You see the bib here know more about breaking the law than they know about up holding the LAW !!! :D

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no surprises here, this has been reported before, with the sting doing the rounds at bars, internet shops etc, and it wont be the last

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I just SOLD a bar last year and I know for a FACT IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THE POLICE OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER TO TAKE YOUR COMPUTER :) This happened to me and I phoned my Lawyer and he said it was illegal for the police to take your computer !!! When I went to the cop shop I said give me back my computer NOW or I will press charges !!! 10 sec later I had my computer back !! :D You see the bib here know more about breaking the law than they know about up holding the LAW !!! :D

This is exactly what I thought, Thai people are very easy to intimidate though.

Anyway.. I gave my staff the number of my lawyer if anything like this might happen.

Thanks all for the information!

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This makes the stolen rental-bike scam look subtle by comparison.

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I first encountered this in Australia, after we started our first restaurant. There is actually an agency that collects Royalties on behalf of Artists Worldwide. The have offices in Melbourne and Sydney that I know of. I just can't remember what they called thmselves.

The essence being, if you are a commercial establishment that provides music, as I did in my restaurant, you are expeted to play a Flat Fee per year for the playing of copyrighted music. Lets face it Radio Stations have to. Everyone was getting letters from them, Hairdressers, Retail Shops, Restaurants, Cafes. it was all very official and they had scales according to the industry you were in. In restaurants it was based on seating capacity.

Their were even instances of members of this mob walking unnannouced into business premises demanding payment. Whilst legit, they are pretty hamstrung and rely mainly on bluff by the power of the written word.

Whether they exist in Thailand would be doubtful. But there is no way the Police are involved, or can get involved.

Obviously some smart Thais are aware of this and are using it to intimidate and to scam the unwary.

The Police are not money collectors for these people. And there would be something dreadfully wrong if there was. Tell them to get stuffed.

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The music police scam were out again last night. I've talked to a local CM lawyer and several bars, guest houses that have been visited. 1) they can only be music police if they have a representative of the Thai Music Association with them. If they don't, it's a COMPLETE scam. Don't let them near your computer, don't let them take it, don't agree to go to the police station with them. DON"T LET THEM PUT A THUMB DRIVE IN YOUR COMPUTER - they'll put the music on your computer! (yes, it's happened!) Take their pictures with your phone, ask them to unzip their jackets, hiding their name and badge so that you can get that on your camera also. They'll leave. 2) If they do have a 'representative' of the THai Music Association with them, they can ONLY ask about the Thai musicians who belong to the Thai Music Association. THEY MUST produce a list of the artists and songs covered. If they don't have, see #1 - tell them to leave adn start taking pictures. If you do have Thai music covered by the Thai Music Association, they DO NOT have any right to take your computer, or to take you to the police station. Tell them you'll pay the fine tomorrow at the main police station with your lawyer - they'll probably leave. The Police that are running the current scam are out of a small sub-station and don't want it known by other police what they're doing. 3) If they bring up international music - International music is not covered by the Thai Music Association - they have no right to enforcement. Again, only music covered by the Thai Music Association is covered. Whenever they get resistance, they leave immediately.

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When I had a club in Hong Kong I was contacted by A.S.C.A.P-The American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers and told I had to pay to play music. I told them to sue me and never heard another word from them as apparently it would cost them more to do that than they would get of I bought a license. The police (at that time) did not participate in such matters so it ended there. I have had several friends hit by this scam in Chiang Mai and none of the police will assist or intervene on their behalf. It all comes down to the corruption in the country once again.

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This makes the stolen rental-bike scam look subtle by comparison.

sure does, esp when you consider the business premises out there that have music playing.

There was another thread here that were targeting bars on Loy Khroh recently.

Also posted is the link for licencing fees in Thailand here

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The music police scam were out again last night. I've talked to a local CM lawyer and several bars, guest houses that have been visited. 1) they can only be music police if they have a representative of the Thai Music Association with them. If they don't, it's a COMPLETE scam. Don't let them near your computer, don't let them take it, don't agree to go to the police station with them. DON"T LET THEM PUT A THUMB DRIVE IN YOUR COMPUTER - they'll put the music on your computer! (yes, it's happened!) Take their pictures with your phone, ask them to unzip their jackets, hiding their name and badge so that you can get that on your camera also. They'll leave. 2) If they do have a 'representative' of the THai Music Association with them, they can ONLY ask about the Thai musicians who belong to the Thai Music Association. THEY MUST produce a list of the artists and songs covered. If they don't have, see #1 - tell them to leave adn start taking pictures. If you do have Thai music covered by the Thai Music Association, they DO NOT have any right to take your computer, or to take you to the police station. Tell them you'll pay the fine tomorrow at the main police station with your lawyer - they'll probably leave. The Police that are running the current scam are out of a small sub-station and don't want it known by other police what they're doing. 3) If they bring up international music - International music is not covered by the Thai Music Association - they have no right to enforcement. Again, only music covered by the Thai Music Association is covered. Whenever they get resistance, they leave immediately.

I heard that they are in town at the moment.  I researched the matter the last time they were about, as you obviously did.Your advice is perfectly correct so I thought I would bump it up to allow people to see it. Forewarned is forearmed.

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The music police scam were out again last night. I've talked to a local CM lawyer and several bars, guest houses that have been visited. 1) they can only be music police if they have a representative of the Thai Music Association with them. If they don't, it's a COMPLETE scam. Don't let them near your computer, don't let them take it, don't agree to go to the police station with them. DON"T LET THEM PUT A THUMB DRIVE IN YOUR COMPUTER - they'll put the music on your computer! (yes, it's happened!) Take their pictures with your phone, ask them to unzip their jackets, hiding their name and badge so that you can get that on your camera also. They'll leave. 2) If they do have a 'representative' of the THai Music Association with them, they can ONLY ask about the Thai musicians who belong to the Thai Music Association. THEY MUST produce a list of the artists and songs covered. If they don't have, see #1 - tell them to leave adn start taking pictures. If you do have Thai music covered by the Thai Music Association, they DO NOT have any right to take your computer, or to take you to the police station. Tell them you'll pay the fine tomorrow at the main police station with your lawyer - they'll probably leave. The Police that are running the current scam are out of a small sub-station and don't want it known by other police what they're doing. 3) If they bring up international music - International music is not covered by the Thai Music Association - they have no right to enforcement. Again, only music covered by the Thai Music Association is covered. Whenever they get resistance, they leave immediately.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!

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Same happened on Ko Samui - in Mae Nam, they raided the bars, looked after copied CD's - took if there wasn't enough cash avaiable the "owner" or manager the place to police station and demanded 30.000 to 50.000!

Even for Thai Music productions, they said the "insurance fee" hasn't been paid... !!!!! TiT!

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