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Honda Scoopyi - Yamaha Fino

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Any opinions on choosing between these two?

(For my teenage daughter, low mileage use, in the the neighborhood driving only)

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Only an opinion, not based on any specs or price: which one would your daughter prefer? My neighbor bought a new Scoopy a week ago, and parked next to a Fino, looks like a cheap wannabe copy. But - your daughter might want it because of influence of her crowd. Unless it's to be a complete surprise, why not take her to both dealerships and let her try both, then make a decision together?

Best thing you could buy for her as an accessory is a full-face helmet in the scooter colors that she *must* wear.

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Agree about the full face helmet, but lots of luck on that issue :)

I looked at a Scoopi the other day; they quoted me 44,800. I think the Fino is a few grand cheaper. I've heard that the (2008?) Fino was given a substantial improvement and has more power. The Scoopi is Fuel Injected and can run on Regular 91, Gasohol 91&95 and E20. The Scoopi underseat storage was almost nonexistant.

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I have definitely opinions on these two. First off, the Honda offering samples I've seen in a couple of Pattaya shopping malls seem to have larger tires than any Fino or Honda Click I've seen, standard. This makes the Honda more roadworthy at higher speeds. But when I asked the Thai person in charge of one of the displays the man told me the Scoopi is air cooled and not water cooled such as the Honda Click or Air Blade. It has the Italian Vespa retro look the Fino has but my first impression is that this Honda look a like of a look a like is not nearly as beautiful as Yamaha's Fino. Yamaha got the look and the lines just right. So it looks like Honda suddenly woke up from another of its Rip Van Winkle slumbers (here in Thailand that is), realized Yamaha was kicking its butt again in one of the Thai market segments and suddenly rushed something in to compete with it. Looks like I'll soon be doing a little more online research on the Scoopi.

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From wikipedia:

The CHF50 is a scooter manufactured by Honda. It is known as the Metropolitan in the United States, the Jazz in Canada, the Scoopy in Australia and the Crea Scoopy in Japan. It can reach a maximum speed of just less than 40 mph (65 km/h) on flat ground and a maximum speed of 43 mph downhill. The Metropolitan has typical gas mileage of 80–110 mpg (US) (2.1–2.9 L/100 km). It was first offered for sale in 2002.

Just looking at the photo makes me think of a cartoon bike :) Just a quick note that the Yamaha Fino (as we know it in the 125cc version) was first offered for sale in 2004.

Honda really messed up by not selling the Scoopy here first before Yamaha rolled out the first Fino!

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From wikipedia:
The CHF50 is a scooter manufactured by Honda. It is known as the Metropolitan in the United States, the Jazz in Canada, the Scoopy in Australia and the Crea Scoopy in Japan. It can reach a maximum speed of just less than 40 mph (65 km/h) on flat ground and a maximum speed of 43 mph downhill. The Metropolitan has typical gas mileage of 80–110 mpg (US) (2.1–2.9 L/100 km). It was first offered for sale in 2002.

Just looking at the photo makes me think of a cartoon bike :) Just a quick note that the Yamaha Fino (as we know it in the 125cc version) was first offered for sale in 2004.

Honda really messed up by not selling the Scoopy here first before Yamaha rolled out the first Fino!

Fino is 115cc, same as Mio. same engine as Nuovo MX except for the carb with manual choke. Fino was not available in LOS 2004, Mio was. Perhaps 2006.

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From wikipedia:
The CHF50 is a scooter manufactured by Honda. It is known as the Metropolitan in the United States, the Jazz in Canada, the Scoopy in Australia and the Crea Scoopy in Japan. It can reach a maximum speed of just less than 40 mph (65 km/h) on flat ground and a maximum speed of 43 mph downhill. The Metropolitan has typical gas mileage of 80–110 mpg (US) (2.1–2.9 L/100 km). It was first offered for sale in 2002.

Just looking at the photo makes me think of a cartoon bike :) Just a quick note that the Yamaha Fino (as we know it in the 125cc version) was first offered for sale in 2004.

Honda really messed up by not selling the Scoopy here first before Yamaha rolled out the first Fino!

Fino is 115cc, same as Mio. same engine as Nuovo MX except for the carb with manual choke. Fino was not available in LOS 2004, Mio was. Perhaps 2006.

Thats been said before.. But the Nuovo MX puts out more power than the mio / fino and the parts are not direct swap. They are close but the nuovo isnt exact clone.

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From wikipedia:
The CHF50 is a scooter manufactured by Honda. It is known as the Metropolitan in the United States, the Jazz in Canada, the Scoopy in Australia and the Crea Scoopy in Japan. It can reach a maximum speed of just less than 40 mph (65 km/h) on flat ground and a maximum speed of 43 mph downhill. The Metropolitan has typical gas mileage of 80–110 mpg (US) (2.1–2.9 L/100 km). It was first offered for sale in 2002.

Just looking at the photo makes me think of a cartoon bike :) Just a quick note that the Yamaha Fino (as we know it in the 125cc version) was first offered for sale in 2004.

Honda really messed up by not selling the Scoopy here first before Yamaha rolled out the first Fino!

Fino is 115cc, same as Mio. same engine as Nuovo MX except for the carb with manual choke. Fino was not available in LOS 2004, Mio was. Perhaps 2006.

I think you are right. 2006. I bought my girlfriend of those days a nice bright red one and she was a real beauty. It was an utterly charming little bike and I enjoyed driving it but for some reason it did not have the power my Nouvo MX had even though both had the 113 c.c. air cooled engine. And I'm pretty such that the Fino has not upgraded to the 135 c.c. water cooled engine the Elegance has.

And as for Honda I think it's been riding on the reputation that its cars have made and bikes from years back and that it is extremely backward in certain markets...eg. the Thai market and the U.S. market. I'm suddenly finding out that in some parts of the world Honda's offering that 300 c.c. scooter and that suddenly it's waking up to the idea of sending a 150 c.c. model like the one I saw in Vietnam to the U.S. where it will be sold for around 4500 bucks. But for all these years in the U.S. you had a choice between dirt bikes. Harley look alike cruisers such as the Shadow V twin, crotch rockets, its top of the line Gold Wings or its twin cylinder 250 c.c. Rebel which produces all of 17 horsepower, which is about the same as the single cylinder 200 c.c. Phantom. Meanwhile in Japan and other countries it's offered that nice 250 c.c. bike it's apparently about to introduce in Thailand with a water cooled 29 horsepower V-twin for years. I don't like the seating positions of those cruisers. You sit there with your ass close to the ground as you are reaching up for those handle bars. And there's too much chrome to keep cleaned. So that rules out the Phantom for me here in Thailand. And at six feet and 62 years old I think I'd look a little goofy and too large on the 150 CBR. Plus I don't think its riding position would be too uncomfortable for me and its seat too small and hard. Honda obviously has the expertise, the engineering and the products (somewhere else in the world) but I do think the company deserves to get its ass kicked in Thailand whether that's by Yamaha, Kawasaki, Susuki or whomever for being so complacent and backward.

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Honda obviously has the expertise, the engineering and the products (somewhere else in the world) but I do think the company deserves to get its ass kicked in Thailand whether that's by Yamaha, Kawasaki, Susuki or whomever for being so complacent and backward.

absolutely agree...embarrassing for Honda to oversleep for so long and i am glad to see they are getting their a$es kicked....some of the Head management should also make way for more dynamic & creative people...

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I saw the Scoopyi up close for the first time yesterday.

If it is Honda's answer to the Fino, they have failed miserably. I actually thought it was a Malaysian copy bike until I got closer. It's lines are nowhere near as nice as the Fino. Bulky and unattractive.

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just looked at the Scoopyi photos online. holy rip off from Yamaha, Batman! they look ok, but they are almost identical to a Fino. why do something the same and try to take the market? that's just silly...

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OK, I have read the ten previous posts which gave opinions in response to my OP.

Many of the opinions seem to favor the Fino for looks and because it preceded the Scoopy-i.

Are these the only reasons to base the buying decision?

My daughter has seen both and would be delighted by either model. (as far as looks.)

Price-wise the difference between these two models doesn't seem appreciable.

I have had a look at the Scoopy-i at a local shop where I am on good terms with several of the staff.

Actually, I went in to look at the Click-i, but when I mentioned it was for my daughter, the staff steered me to the Scoopy-i. They said the price was 2,000 less than the Click-i I asked about.

I talked to the head mechanic there about these two(Click-i & Scoopy-i) and he gave what seemed a reasonable answer. He said besides the exterior style of the two, the main difference was that the Click was water-cooled and the Scoopy air-cooled. If the bike was going to be driven on a 20 km. commute everyday the Click was the better choice, (but if fuel consumption is a consideration the Wave was even better.) If the bike was going to driven only to do a bit of shopping every now and then and visit relatives in our neighborhood then the air-cooled would do.

The reason I asked about the Fino is that I want a bit of info on it before I go into the Yamaha shop to look at it.

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OK, I have read the ten previous posts which gave opinions in response to my OP.

Many of the opinions seem to favor the Fino for looks and because it preceded the Scoopy-i.

Are these the only reasons to base the buying decision?

My daughter has seen both and would be delighted by either model. (as far as looks.)

Price-wise the difference between these two models doesn't seem appreciable.

I have had a look at the Scoopy-i at a local shop where I am on good terms with several of the staff.

Actually, I went in to look at the Click-i, but when I mentioned it was for my daughter, the staff steered me to the Scoopy-i. They said the price was 2,000 less than the Click-i I asked about.

I talked to the head mechanic there about these two(Click-i & Scoopy-i) and he gave what seemed a reasonable answer. He said besides the exterior style of the two, the main difference was that the Click was water-cooled and the Scoopy air-cooled. If the bike was going to be driven on a 20 km. commute everyday the Click was the better choice, (but if fuel consumption is a consideration the Wave was even better.) If the bike was going to driven only to do a bit of shopping every now and then and visit relatives in our neighborhood then the air-cooled would do.

The reason I asked about the Fino is that I want a bit of info on it before I go into the Yamaha shop to look at it.

Let's see. 20 kilometers a day. If your daughter drove the Fino 1000 days EVERY DAY that's just 20,000 kilometers. I drove my air cooled Nouvo close to 14,000 kilometers and it took three years to do that. There's still nothing gone wrong with it and it's now nearly four years old. although my neighbor now owns it. I am suggesting at 20 kilometers a day without her taking a single day off your daughter will have no serious problems with a Fino for at least 3.5 years.

Let me tell you a little story. I used to farm and at first I owned Case tractors. One thing I noticed is that a lot of Case tractors would be laid up at the dealership split in half because they were having their transmissions worked on. Now this was a crackerjack dealership so they sold a lot of tractors out of that dealership. I had bought a nice tractor there and it wasn't long before I had a gear go out in the back end of the tractor. The transmission was manual by the way. So I came to the conclusion that Case tractors had weak transmissions because 1. I had trouble with mine and 2. Because I saw so many of them getting their transmissions repaired. So I switched to John Deere and the first one I got had a 15 speed transmission that required no clutching whatsoever. My neighbor said that since it was not a fully manual transmission it would be unreliable. Well......I never had any problems with that tractor and certainly not with its transmission and when I bought a 2nd John Deere I never had a problem with it either. And if I ever saw a John Deere having its transmission worked on I might have seen one...Just one in the shop having that done.

Lesson to be learned is this, "If there's no smoke, there's no fire." I love my water cooled Nouvo Elegance 135 c.c.. but not once have I ever heard of anyone having any big problems with an air cooled Nouvo or a Fino or a Mio. I therefore conclude that these air cooled bikes for the most part will not have any problems until considerable mileage is piled on them or they are abused.

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Fino is technically same bike as Mio. After 2 years a new battery is usually needed, and at 30-50k km an autobelt at 990 baht. Sparkplug and airfilter every 10-12k km and of course oil every 4k km. Thats it. Still have 2 Mio 2004.

I m sure the Honda is reliable too.

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I have a Fino I am extremely happy with, 2009 app 3300km. I decided to sell my trusted Wave 125 and never regretted it. We use the Fino to scooter around Pattaya on and often cover +30 km a day. So much easier to ride with auto transmission and no chain drive to lubricate and adjust. A loose chain is extremely dangerous, can lock up the rear wheel and cause you to crash. (I did that on a borrowed Kawa 650 many years ago in Denmark, he-he, well only locked up I didn't crash as I was driving slowly when it happened)

In another tread somebody says: Buy a Wave, I say bullsh1t. Even motor bike taxi's nowadays are driving autos which is a sure indicator how reliable they are.

Saw the new Honda at big C and agree with most other posts, a cheap Fino copi, come-on Honda the biggest motor bike producer in the world can do better that that. :)

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