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Sakdina - The Curse Of Modern Thailand

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"In the reign of King Borommatrailokkanat (1448-1488) a formalised system was introduced, designed to force even the most far-flung regions into line. King Trailok passed a series of laws that have resonated down Thai history to today and are probably the most influential royal commands issued in Thai history. Trailok introduced a governmental system which nowadays is known as the Sakdina System, but at the time were laws of Civil, Military and Provincial Hierarchies. The system itself was based upon a cultural and social order that had been practiced in much of the country at local level for centuries, Trailok made three important changes to this system, he expanded it, standardised it and centralised it.

Thai society that had long been divided into two classes, the nobles and the masses, the Sakdina System clearly defined the roles within society of these two groups, how they would interact with each other and amongst themselves creating a strict social order based on the quantified worth of each individual." By Paul Wilding

Modern day example of Sakdina.

The PAD seeking to change the government by non-electoral means. Moreover, they seek also to change the constitution in a way that they hope will permanently break the electoral dominance of rural Thailand, arguing that rural Thais are not sufficiently well educated to be trusted with such power - Sakdina.

Generation after generation of young Thai girls (peasant girls are of no worth in the system) being sent to work in the sex industry - Sakdina.

The guy driving a Mercedes, demanding his position on the road, due to his perceived elevated social statues - Sakdina

Sin Sod, from the days when nobles could buy multiple wifes - Sakdina.

Government corruption and the exceptance of it - Sakdina.

There are many more examples.

Ref.

http://www.thai-blogs.com/index.php/2009/0...-orient?blog=35

http://khongsau.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/t...utional-reform/

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Governments deliberately keeping the masses uneducated by not allocating real money to the education system so they can buy votes and win landslide election victories. - Sakdina

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Ummm none of the examples cited are 'sakdina"

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Hard to compare as then the nobles where Thai, today they are Chinese.

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Thailand's cultural heritage is largely feudal and agrarian based. This "Sakdina" is just an offshoot of that mentality. Most developing world countries have this mentality when dealing with their people. You are not saying anything profound here.

There are a lot of Thais who are aggravated by this system this is why you have so many competing political ideologies these days. We can get into why this is so but there's no real freedom of speech on a forum like this and you'd have to address some rather controversial issues dealing with certain figureheads.

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Ummm none of the examples cited are 'sakdina"

Really. Why?

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Funny that U as the OP, are first to ask this!

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Trouble is, that the 'Sadinka' mentality will not realise that in this modern day and age things are changing very quickly, and if they persist with this mentality there will be trouble.

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Trouble is, that the 'Sadinka' mentality will not realise that in this modern day and age things are changing very quickly, and if they persist with this mentality there will be trouble.

Trouble from whom? Class reinforcement is a part of Thai culture. The "poor" know their place and the rich have no issues with lording it over them. This will never change until a strong educated middle class is developed in Thailand and who knows when that will ever happen.

Just look at Thai television it's all rich hi-so people lording it over the poor and each other. There is literally no shame here with walking over others because of your status.

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Basically Sakdina = people control. It was/is a feudal system introduced so people accepted their (usually poor) status.

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Ummm none of the examples cited are 'sakdina"

Really. Why?

Ummm because they aren't?

Sin Sod --- as it has been used in modern history --- a system to assure the well being of a wife and children in a country where men walk out. Thailand doesn't have an advanced welfare system as you well know.

Rural girls and prostitution --- not related to the sakdina system at all (since in Thailand the majority of men frequenting prostitutes are have the same social background as the prostitutes themselves )

Mercedes drivers ---- as likely to be middle class as anything else. I OWN the road is a common belief of any driver. See the "mercedes mentality" thread and read the OP's thoughts ... he seemed to think even on a motorcycle HE owned the road.

Government corruption and the exceptance of it (SIC) --- are you saying countries that didn't have this system are therefore not corrupt?

If you want an example of how the sakdina system is no longer working in Thailand one only has to look at the cases of Thaksin. In years past under the sakdina system he would have been exempt from prosecution for the most part. That is no longer the case.

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Ummm none of the examples cited are 'sakdina"

Really. Why?

Ummm because they aren't?

Sin Sod --- as it has been used in modern history --- a system to assure the well being of a wife and children in a country where men walk out. Thailand doesn't have an advanced welfare system as you well know.

Rural girls and prostitution --- not related to the sakdina system at all (since in Thailand the majority of men frequenting prostitutes are have the same social background as the prostitutes themselves )

Mercedes drivers ---- as likely to be middle class as anything else. I OWN the road is a common belief of any driver. See the "mercedes mentality" thread and read the OP's thoughts ... he seemed to think even on a motorcycle HE owned the road.

Government corruption and the exceptance of it (SIC) --- are you saying countries that didn't have this system are therefore not corrupt?

If you want an example of how the sakdina system is no longer working in Thailand one only has to look at the cases of Thaksin. In years past under the sakdina system he would have been exempt from prosecution for the most part. That is no longer the case.

You have a right to your opinion of course, but I disagree with all your 5 points. Your final point actually demonstrates sakdina. Thaksin was empowering the rural poor, which upset the elite, contributing to his downfall.

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I have gotta agree with Jdinasia, these are things that are much more economic in nature and parallels could be drawn to at least a dozen other countries. This seems more like a cheap plug for taxsin's back wood thugs against the govt, than the history lesson that it starts out as.

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Mercedes drivers ---- as likely to be middle class as anything else. I OWN the road is a common belief of any driver. See the "mercedes mentality" thread and read the OP's thoughts ... he seemed to think even on a motorcycle HE owned the road.

Now, were that Mercedes flanked in Police Motorcycles haring down an empty rush hour street while thousands are kept waiting in hot cars stuck in sub sois, all so some jumped up politician could make his lunch appointment, that would be a case of Sakdina in a modern context.

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