Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

tatee

Why Does Thailand Have Such A Bad Reputation ?

222 posts in this topic

I can think of very few people who have been to any of the countries that you listed for reasons other than work or family.

China tourism --

China is the world's fourth largest country for inbound tourism. The number of overseas tourists was 55 million in 2007.
wiki

Israel tourism --

Tourism in Israel is one of the country's major sources of income, with 2.7 million tourists in 2009.[1] Israel offers a plethora of historical and religious sites, beach resorts, archaeological tourism, heritage tourism and ecotourism. Israel has the highest number of museums per capita in the world.[2] The most popular paid site is Masada.[3] The largest groups of tourists visit from the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, and Germany.[4]

According to Tourism Ministry figures, 280,000 people visited Israel in July 2010, marking an all-time record for the month.[5]

wiki

You're absolutely right - I should have added in religion, as well as family or work. Saudi Arabia benefits greatly from religous tourism. And you are right, China was, in my opinion, incorrectly on that list, since I have myself been there as a tourist, and I have acquaintances that have gone there on shagging-trips, I believe. Of course, if we subscribe to the People's Republic's classification of China, it is a great place to visit - the gambling and vice dens of Macau, the outrageous extravegance and libertarian debauchery of Hong Kong, the culture and open friendliess, as well as the scenery, in the Republic - although to be sure, I still wouldn't go there (the Republic) but to visit friends.

And similarly Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Maybe part of the poor reputation relates to a perceived lack of separation between church and state? And also fractious hypersensitivity and xenophobia.

SC

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Take all the bunch of self righteous bigots in foreign countries who think their own poop doesn't smell and it doesn't surprise me. There are only a few relatively modern Asian countries that are still fairly inexpensive to live in and it is bound to happen. Provide a fairly stable environment with beautiful women and it will attract men from everywhere. Foreign press LOVES to stereotype ANYTHING that involves sex. The press will over excentuate anything remotely involving sex. The press passes that onto the bigots and you have your answer. Thailand doesn't offer anything that can't be had everywhere else. Just yesterday I read a local, free newspaper and the whole last page was advertisements for sexual massage or escort services. That is in the sleepy, staid city of Victoria on Vancouver Island in Canada. A holiday center like Las Vegas is saturated with hookers. So are all the other adult tourist centers in the USA.

Ian, I agree with you 100% on this. There are so many ignorant people in this world. Thailand gives a chance to retired folks from all over the world a decent place to live cheaply on their meager pensions and even get a nice looking wife/gf half their age along the way, yet so many complain as if they live like a royal family in their homeland or their countries are so perfect in every sense. You hear of people compaining about Thailand and then tell you that they have been living in Thailand for a decade. If you don't like Thailand, why don't you go back home? Like Ian said, prostitution, corruption etc is everywhere. There are as many prostitutes who harass tourists in London as there are in Pattaya. I couldn't run away far enough from them in Earl"s Court, London. They were far more aggressive than your average Thai girls. And about corruption, it is just as common in EU and North America as it is in Thailand. Ever heard of "cash-for-honours affair" in the U.K? How about the BAE bribes to the Saudis, which was conveniently dropped by the U.K. government? How about the "campaign contributions" in the U.S. which is a nice convenient word for "bribing" to influence the Senators' voting? Corporate moneyhas hijacked American democracy for a very long time. Joe Lieberman, the former Democratic candidate for Vice-President. He has taken $448,066 in campaign contributions from private healthcare companies while his wife raked in $2m as one of their chief lobbyists, and he has blocked any attempt in the Senate to break the stranglehold of the health insurance companies and broaden coverage.

The US political system now operates within a corporate cage. If you want to run for office, you have to take corporate cash – and so you have to serve corporate interests. Corporations are often blatant in their corruption: it's not unusual for them to give to both competing candidates in a Senate race, to ensure all sides are indebted to them. It has reached the point that lobbyists now often write the country's laws. Not metaphorically; literally. The former Republican congressman Walter Jones spoke out in disgust in 2006 when he found that drug company lobbyists were actually authoring the words of the Medicare prescription bill, and puppet-politicians were simply nodding it through.

I think I have made my point.

Max2010

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't know anyone outside Thailand who thinks it has a bad reputation. Everyone I know thinks it is a paradise and that I was lucky to have lived there. However, expats living in Thailand tend to see beneath the paradise surface, the less pleasant elements of the country hence they complain more.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't know, enforce the prostitution laws, how about that?

how? what happened on the room is just between 2 people, want to change that?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't know, enforce the prostitution laws, how about that?

how? what happened on the room is just between 2 people, want to change that?

if you were to visit sanur bali, on the surface it looks like a quiet upscale tourist area and women for rent are not something you will readily see however there are aprox 1,000 mostly beautiful working girls to be had. hence to the unfamiliar they will come and go with out ever knowing the difference. Thailand has a more, in your face approach to the same services and no one is spared the spectical of women selling themselves.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Let's not delude ourselves, Thailand DOES have a bad reputation. That's not something that can be changed overnight. Thais can change things by first dealing with corruption. It is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet, and polls have said most Thais just accept that. That basically means it is hopeless. So the answer isn't on an expat board, now is it?

Bad reputation amongst who? The echo chamber of western expats who vent at each other daily? That's not the mainstream.

Thailand's mainstream reputation is mostly a safe fun holiday destination with beach resorts, sun, and women for single men.

A country with a bad reputation? Look at Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, or even Israel. Now that's a real bad international reputation.

He is the prototype of a grumpy old expat. Lost the ability to enjoy his life and just want share his misery. Cries fascism if the t-shirt seller hasn't a tee for his obese body. And that bad reputation myth is just shared between him and other old grumpy foreign men. Someone should send them home for their own sake.

It was the Thai OP who brought up Thailand's bad reputation as a fact. Sorry, it is a fact. I guess some people don't watch many Hollywood comedies, some dig at Thailand as a whoring sex zoo or even worse a pedo haven graces many of them. Those joke writers didn't write those jokes in a vacuum, people get the jokes and laugh loudly at them.

BTW, I am really not very old. (Yet.)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Let's not delude ourselves, Thailand DOES have a bad reputation. That's not something that can be changed overnight. Thais can change things by first dealing with corruption. It is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet, and polls have said most Thais just accept that. That basically means it is hopeless. So the answer isn't on an expat board, now is it?

Bad reputation amongst who? The echo chamber of western expats who vent at each other daily? That's not the mainstream.

Thailand's mainstream reputation is mostly a safe fun holiday destination with beach resorts, sun, and women for single men.

A country with a bad reputation? Look at Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, or even Israel. Now that's a real bad international reputation.

He is the prototype of a grumpy old expat. Lost the ability to enjoy his life and just want share his misery. Cries fascism if the t-shirt seller hasn't a tee for his obese body. And that bad reputation myth is just shared between him and other old grumpy foreign men. Someone should send them home for their own sake.

That's a really good effort at a flame, but sadly, you'll need to learn a good deal more about your target. I imagine your vitriol will wash away like water off a duck's back. I'm very impressed with your ability to be rude and obnoxious in any thread, and deeply offensive, switching viewpoints with a magnanimity that displays a great breadth of mind and catholic (not meant religously) outlook. Actually, I can see some consistency in your outlook, but I'm not going to go there - as I have said earlier in this thread...

Anyway, carry on your baiting - you appear to be a master at it

SC

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This isn't the first time this has been discussed here.

Burning Pattaya to the ground wouldn't be a bad start, but it isn't relevant to the reputation thing. Most people unfamiliar with Thailand have never even heard of it..

The real reason for the perception that Thailand has is that everyone wants to point the finger elsewhere. Las Vegas (sin city) isn't looked at like people look at Thailand. Amsterdam, too. I could show you places in my home city that make Thailand look like a nunnery.

Mexico and other countries that produce and smuggle drugs are looked at as the culprits. Not the consumers.

Most people believe what they've heard or read, but know very little about the world. They're brainwashed.

I have a toothache so my sense of humour is shot. Sorry..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't know, enforce the prostitution laws, how about that?

how? what happened on the room is just between 2 people, want to change that?

I don't want to change that, but the OP asked how to change Thailand's rep, not me. I don't really care, it's not my country, it's his country. If I was allowed a path to permanent residence here from my current status, I would care more. Countries that seriously decide to enforce prostitution laws can indeed enforce them, its not that hard, look around the world.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

]It was the Thai OP who brought up Thailand's bad reputation as a fact. Sorry, it is a fact. I guess some people don't watch many Hollywood comedies, some dig at Thailand as a whoring sex zoo or even worse a pedo haven graces many of them. Those joke writers didn't write those jokes in a vacuum, people get the jokes and laugh loudly at them.

BTW, I am really not very old. (Yet.)

Not  trying to be argumentative, but what movies are you watching?  I can't think of any movies where pedo, for example, is a subject.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

]It was the Thai OP who brought up Thailand's bad reputation as a fact. Sorry, it is a fact. I guess some people don't watch many Hollywood comedies, some dig at Thailand as a whoring sex zoo or even worse a pedo haven graces many of them. Those joke writers didn't write those jokes in a vacuum, people get the jokes and laugh loudly at them.

BTW, I am really not very old. (Yet.)

Not trying to be argumentative, but what movies are you watching? I can't think of any movies where pedo, for example, is a subject.

Not a subject, passing jokes. There are MANY! Typical example, a passing reference (for a cheap laugh) about a characters uncle in Thailand who married a 12 year old boy. It is ALWAYS Thailand. It's pop culture, these jokes are very common in Hollywood comedies.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

8>< SNIP Nested quotes deleted ><8

Not a subject, passing jokes. There are MANY! Typical example, a passing reference (for a cheap laugh) about a characters uncle in Thailand who married a 12 year old boy. It is ALWAYS Thailand. It's pop culture, these jokes are very common in Hollywood comedies.

Must just be the shows you watch. I am lucky to have led a sheltered life.

Anyway, you appear to have hit the nail on the head. In order to address the OP's issue, we should be discouraging people from watching Hollywood Comedies or better still, banning them as libellous, or alternatively developing more appropriate lines for them - and doing everyone a favour.

What is the correct term for grafting a sense of humour on to someone? And could it be done to an entire nation?

We'll have the eugenics crusaders on our backs now...

No thanks JT, I'm not that way inclined.

SC

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I suggest we focus on Thailand here. It is true Thailand is not the only country with a bad reputation, but do we really need another proxy Israel bashing thread?

Arent you being a bit selective in your reading? Israel was one of several counties mentioned in his post.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Let's not delude ourselves, Thailand DOES have a bad reputation. That's not something that can be changed overnight. Thais can change things by first dealing with corruption. It is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet, and polls have said most Thais just accept that. That basically means it is hopeless. So the answer isn't on an expat board, now is it?

Bad reputation amongst who? The echo chamber of western expats who vent at each other daily? That's not the mainstream.

Thailand's mainstream reputation is mostly a safe fun holiday destination with beach resorts, sun, and women for single men.

A country with a bad reputation? Look at Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, or even Israel. Now that's a real bad international reputation.

No question that the Muslim based countries have a bad reputation, but they are hardly tourist destination countries. China has a terrible reputation for civil rights, but the big business corporations overlook that because of greed. Anything to do with money for the big guys and anything is acceptible.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I suggest we focus on Thailand here. It is true Thailand is not the only country with a bad reputation, but do we really need another proxy Israel bashing thread?

Arent you being a bit selective in your reading? Israel was one of several counties mentioned in his post.

True, it was my chosen country. Next ...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Hollywood script writers will stop writing the Thailand sex jokes when they no longer get big laughs. In other words, not in our lifetimes.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Hollywood script writers will stop writing the Thailand sex jokes when they no longer get big laughs. In other words, not in our lifetimes.

But the laughs are all canned. They only put the laugh in so that the rest of us can tell where the joke is, and what is supposed to be funny.

On the hollowwood comedies that i see, anyway. Its like the 'boing' on Thai shows.

So anyway, I think a brief summary of findings to date is in order:

1. Thailand does not have a bad reputation, and it doesn't put tourists off.

2. To a large extent, the reputation that it has does not deter visitors, despite the country having some faults.

3. To a large extent, its perceived bad reputation amongst prudes is based on prurient and salacious humour, combined with a desire to divert attention from the vice, eniquity and inequity within our own countries.

4. In fact, Thailand is no worse than many other countries in that respect.

Now that the topic is complete, we can concentrate on the slagfest - oh, that takes me back to my weekends in Newcastle!

SC

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Hollywood script writers will stop writing the Thailand sex jokes when they no longer get big laughs. In other words, not in our lifetimes.

But the laughs are all canned. They only put the laugh in so that the rest of us can tell where the joke is, and what is supposed to be funny.

On the hollowwood comedies that i see, anyway. Its like the 'boing' on Thai shows.

So anyway, I think a brief summary of findings to date is in order:

1. Thailand does not have a bad reputation, and it doesn't put tourists off.

2. To a large extent, the reputation that it has does not deter visitors, despite the country having some faults.

3. To a large extent, its perceived bad reputation amongst prudes is based on prurient and salacious humour, combined with a desire to divert attention from the vice, eniquity and inequity within our own countries.

4. In fact, Thailand is no worse than many other countries in that respect.

Now that the topic is complete, we can concentrate on the slagfest - oh, that takes me back to my weekends in Newcastle!

SC

In my experience Thailand has a very bad reputation. Whenever I mention it I get the usual comments about young girls and dirty old men (which apparently I am). Of course these comments come from people that have never been to Thailand but this doesn't alter the fact that whenever I mention Thailand it gets negative comments.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I know what the outsiders think of Thailand and I gotta admit that I don't like it. How many times you have heard that ordinary Thai women have been mistaken to be prostitutes. As a Thai person I don't like it very much. Recently there's a show on Thai TV regarding foreigners who been lived in Thailand for a long time come to tell their story about how much they love Thailand. I think this program is really good. Anyway, since this forum has lots of Farangs who also love Thailand So I'd like to know if you have an idea to help Thailand out of this bad reputation?

While it is easy, as some here have, to take the simplistic view and brand as self rightous bigots all those who generalize Thai women bas being prostitutes doing so prevents the necessary analysis of where these views come from. They are certainly not limited to people in the west, as many a Thai woman passing through Singaporean or Japanese immigration will testify.

A huge part of the image of Thai women as prostitutes comes from the fact that Thailand has been marketting it's women in the Thai sex trade and in the growing Thai brides business.

Here in this thread we have a couple examples of guys repeating the big Thailand sell 'where else can an old guy with not too much money retire and find a young beautiful woman?'

A Thai woman is stopped at Singapore immigration and asked to demonstrate she has means to pay for her visit, not because the immiagration officer has a bigoted view of Thai women, but because s/he has direct experience of Thai prositutes on every single flight from Thailand.

Google sex services in your own country, and despite however many miles from Thailand you'll have no trouble finding Thai women working as prostitutes somewhere not too far from you.

Thailand has marketed it's women, directly in the sex tourism business and in the international sex business.

Sex sells and Thailand has branded it's women as the premier product - It's a maketting strategy that has got the message across.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

BANGKOK 24 May 2017 15:00
Sponsors