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42 minutes ago, Lakegeneve said:

An underground station with easy access on soi 38 would just be a useful for Sansir residents no?

 

It would be good if the new station was designed in such a way that you could get from the new underground station to the existing Thong Lor station without getting wet!

 

That would be perfect.

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3 hours ago, Lakegeneve said:

.the express carriages have all been converted as far as I am aware.

This hasn't happened yet FYI. The express trains still have only 3 carriages that can take pax in them, with the 4th luggage carriage still unusable.

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On 8/2/2017 at 7:19 PM, dantilley said:

This hasn't happened yet FYI. The express trains still have only 3 carriages that can take pax in them, with the 4th luggage carriage still unusable.

That is surprising as I remember reading in an SRT thread back in March that the 3rd set was about to start for conversion and then the 4th set would be done by mid year. So you are saying that none have been done at all?

 

However, I just checked some threads and there is a Manager article from 22 July where the SRTET CEO states that the conversion of all 4 sets won't be done until the end of the year. For whatever that statement is worth.

 

I'll ask a couple of people who should know and see if they can tell us the exact current status.

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On 8/2/2017 at 5:10 PM, blackcab said:

 

It would be good if the new station was designed in such a way that you could get from the new underground station to the existing Thong Lor station without getting wet!

 

That would be perfect.

Ideally, in the future all new interchange stations should have internal (ticketside) connections between two lines especially with a common ticketing system coming sometime in the future.....

 

Pretty normal anywhere in the world. However, with the private concessionaire system that exists in Bangkok who can predict?

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On 8/2/2017 at 3:53 PM, Lakegeneve said:

Sorry Dantilley, I haven't checked in recent times since you last asked me. The SRT is a deep, dark vortex of confusion.

 

They should have ordered those 7 5 car sets by now but I don't believe that it has happened.....the express carriages have all been converted as far as I am aware.

One thing that I forget to mention was that the SRTET back in Feb was considering the idea of ordering 12-15 single Disiro II cars from Siemens to just extend the current rolling stock to 5 car operations. Need to check on that too.

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Station overcrowding is a high alert concern for the future of BTS,....

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19 hours ago, Lakegeneve said:

That is surprising as I remember reading in an SRT thread back in March that the 3rd set was about to start for conversion and then the 4th set would be done by mid year. So you are saying that none have been done at all?

 

However, I just checked some threads and there is a Manager article from 22 July where the SRTET CEO states that the conversion of all 4 sets won't be done until the end of the year. For whatever that statement is worth.

 

I'll ask a couple of people who should know and see if they can tell us the exact current status.

I've never seen a converted luggage carriage, no, although I guess it's possible that by chance I haven't been on a train yet in which it's been converted. Certainly it's true to say that most haven't been converted, and most likely all haven't.

 

What they have done is removed the seats and reconfigured a lot of the regular passenger carriages which is a great help.

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19 hours ago, Lakegeneve said:

One thing that I forget to mention was that the SRTET back in Feb was considering the idea of ordering 12-15 single Disiro II cars from Siemens to just extend the current rolling stock to 5 car operations. Need to check on that too.

Would be great if you could, thanks.

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On 8/8/2017 at 11:54 AM, dantilley said:

I've never seen a converted luggage carriage, no, although I guess it's possible that by chance I haven't been on a train yet in which it's been converted. Certainly it's true to say that most haven't been converted, and most likely all haven't.

 

What they have done is removed the seats and reconfigured a lot of the regular passenger carriages which is a great help.

I think I understand my confusion as when I read about it earlier in the year in the Thai press, they were referring to the seats on the Express sets, not the baggage car. I misunderstood it as I thought it included both.

 

Anyway, have checked and the SRTET CEO has also made some recent comments, all of the rolling stock is being refurbished - along with the Express stock conversion. 

1 set has been completed, 1 is about to be done and apparently all 9 sets will be completed by Feb 2018. (I take that to mean April or May).

 

The new 7 sets fo 5 car rolling stock will be ordered by the end of the year. (They promise with fingers crossed!).

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Since the Blue Line ext to Tao Poon opened pax numbers have jumped significantly - I've caught the train to TP a couple of times now and the extra numbers beyond Bang Sue were very noticeable.. Such that overcrowding at Tao Poon on the Blue line platform is immediately a problem.

 

Pic from this morning posted on the MRTA FB page,

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15 hours ago, Lakegeneve said:

I think I understand my confusion as when I read about it earlier in the year in the Thai press, they were referring to the seats on the Express sets, not the baggage car. I misunderstood it as I thought it included both.

 

Anyway, have checked and the SRTET CEO has also made some recent comments, all of the rolling stock is being refurbished - along with the Express stock conversion. 

1 set has been completed, 1 is about to be done and apparently all 9 sets will be completed by Feb 2018. (I take that to mean April or May).

 

The new 7 sets fo 5 car rolling stock will be ordered by the end of the year. (They promise with fingers crossed!).

Thanks, sounds quite positive!

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On 8/16/2017 at 5:10 PM, Lakegeneve said:

Since the Blue Line ext to Tao Poon opened pax numbers have jumped significantly - I've caught the train to TP a couple of times now and the extra numbers beyond Bang Sue were very noticeable.. Such that overcrowding at Tao Poon on the Blue line platform is immediately a problem.

According to the The Manager and Khaosod papers the pax increase on the Purple line is 47%!!

From around 33K av. pax a day to 49K av. a day. One day peaked at just under 60K.

 

The Blue Line has also seen an obvious increase but no specific figure yet. 

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On 7/31/2017 at 4:32 PM, Lakegeneve said:

 

C ) LINES CONTRACTED WITH CONSTRUCTION due to START in late 2017:
9) MRTA Pink Line (monorail): Khae Rai intersection to Miniburi via Pakred, Chaeng Wattana & Ram Inthra 36km, 30 stations. http://www.mrta.co.th/pinkline/index.html
10) MRTA Yellow Line (Monorail) Phase 1: 30.4km, 21 stations elevated. Latphrao to Hua Mark. (Note: was previously heavy rail underground) http://www.mrta-yellowline.com/

 

D) LINES/EXTS TO BE TENDERED IN 2017:

11) Purple Line ext south. Taopoon to WWY then to Ratburna: 23.6 km. 17 stations (12.6km 10 stations underground, 11km 7 stations elevated). Note: Approved for tender by Cabinet on 25 July. Video or route, looking at a 2024 opening if construction starts by mid 2018. https://www.facebook.com/MRTA.PR/videos/1875103962706329

12) Orange Line Phase 2, west section: From TCC to Bang Khun Non (Charan Sawitwong rd). 17.5km, 13 stations underground.
13) Blue Line west ext to Phutthamonthon sai 4: 7.8km, 4 stations elevated.

 

A few updates:

C)

9 & 10) The transfer of land for the Yellow and Pink lines from the MRTA to BSR Joint Venture is going to take longer than expected. Preliminary works are still ongoing, but full construction is not expected to begin until December 2017.

 

D)

11) Purple Line southern ext: The MRTA has announced that the tender will be delayed from next month until December. That shoudl still mean a mid 2018 construction start if no other delays.

12) Orange Line Phase 2 west section: The MRTA has been asked by Cabinet to look at private investment, perhaps a 50:50 PPP funding option. There will be a delay of 4 months while consultants evaluate various options.

13) The Blue line west ext: still expected to go to Cabinet in the next month or 2. Should be tendered by the end of the year assuming no delay.

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I mentioned in the previous update that I would post a summary of new rolling stock orders;

 

A) BEM Blue Line (MRT) -

BEM finally placed an order with Siemens a few weeks ago for new rolling stock!!! Originally, they were going to order more stock in 2008 but had to defer due to debt restructuring issues so it has been a long wait! BEM has ordered 35 new 3 car sets which will be delivered in 3 stages ; 


1) 3 sets in late 2018,
2) 15 sets in early 2019,
3) 17 sets in late 2019.
(Note: BEM should be moving to 4 or 5 cars sets by now as expected pax after the extension are 750k-800k rising to 1m by 2022)

 

B) BTSC Dark Green (Suk) line  (BTS) -

1) The BTSC has ordered for 22 new 4 car sets from Siemens in May 2016 for the when the Samut Prakhan extension. These are being built in Turkey with expected deliveries in late 2018 & early 2019.

2) At the same time, the BTSC ordered 24 more 4 car sets of CRRC (Chinese) for the North ext to KuKot/Lam Lukka rd. These should be delivered in late 2018.

(Note: 4 sets will be kept for reserve/repairs etc)

 

C) BEM Pink and Yellow line (MRT) monorail orders -

1) Pink Line: BEM has ordered 42 Bombardier Innovia Monorail 300 sets  (4 cars)

2) Yellow Line: BEM has ordered 30 sets (4 cars) of the same model.

 

D) SRT Dark and Light Red suburban lines -

Hitachi has the contract to supply rolling stock by 2020. However, the exact number of sets is unclear.

 

E) SRTET Airport Line (ARL) -

1) The order for 7 new 5 car sets is still pending. However, the SRT has promised to place it by the end of the year.

 

Summary:

That's a total of 81 heavy rail sets (3 & 4 cars) and 72 monorail sets (4 cars) on order!

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On 7/31/2017 at 4:34 PM, Lakegeneve said:

 

The all important map, I'm only posting one for now. Credit to Archstudent.

 

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The map again for those who are unclear on which line is which.....

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