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How Many Expats Are Living In Thailand?

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I realise that this question: "How many Expats are living in Thailand" "And how much do they add to the economy"

may be difficult questions to answer,but are there any official figures?

And even more difficult to estimate,How much they add to the Thai Economy.

But perhaps with the wealth of Knowledge on Tv,some answers or estimates may be forthcoming.

My apologies if these questions have been already been dealt with?

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These questions have been asked before in Thaivisa but not really "dealt with" as the figures are not publicly available (well, that's the consensus anyway)

People, including myself, have contacted the relevant agencies but received no response. The closest available figures to what you are looking for are many years old.

If anyone does have access to these stats then please post here and/or PM me, thanks

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"How many Expats are living in Thailand" "And how much do they add to the economy"

Yes to both, but I haven't a clue as to how many and how much. :D

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Cannot comment on the exact amts but one thing is for sure, the amt is dwindling fast as more Professional expats are relocating to certain events like ttries like Singapore, Malaysia and Vietnam. Also seeing atnew trend of expats moving to Indonesia, India and also China. If you were to observe memberships of actual expats at the various Chambers Of Commerce, you can see that those figures are declining and also if you were to observe certain recent events like Amcham's Independence Day Celebrations, Ploenchit Fair, The Bumrungrad Abbual Healthy Living Fair, The International Women's Club Bazaar, YWCA's Bazaar.......the number of expats certainly dropped. Just look at the ads in Thaivisa and you can see how many are selling their homes due to relocations.

There is however a slight increase of younger British Blokes coming in to find work and live in Thailand but not belonging to the Professional work brackets, most have lower eductaion brackets. There is also a huge amount of Chinese Malaysians and Singaporeans (who are usually labelled as Ah Bengs) coming into Thailand and settling here and indulging in nefarious activities. Most have little education.

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I think this is impossible to estimate.

There are the permanent residents. Those on pensions, business owners, employees or living on savings.

Then there are the part timers. Those that only stay in Thailand for short periods during a year. Offshore workers, live both in they're own countries but visit Thailand for a few months per year and those on short term work contracts.

And what about the farangs that are not entitled to be Thailand? How many are criminals, illegal workers, overstayers, constantly in and out the country trying to be inconspicuous doing whatever they are into and so on.

Until the Thai government creates a proper system of tagging and recording who is a tourist and who is an ex-pat, there is no way of differentiating between a tourist and an ex-pat resident.

As for adding to the economy; I can see the benefits of those who obtain they're incomes legally from abroad and spend their money in Thailand. The Thais gain from foreign income and the foreigner benefits from a better lifestyle at a cheaper rate. It is of mutual benefit to both parties and everyone's happy all round.

But I do not see how the farangs such as business owners or employees that acquire their incomes from Thailand actually benefit Thailand? They seem to take out more then they put in. Although business owners, if legal, claim that they are good for the Thai economy by creating employment for Thais and paying taxes, those that declare taxes of course, they are still gaining the benefits of much cheaper labor and paying much less tax then they would in the West, getting rich on the proceeds but not citizens, yet, enjoying a more prosperous lifestyle then the average Thai worker and even nationals in their own countries. So it appears they gain more then they put in.

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I've just learned that in the late 80s/early 90s quite a number of NZers (with degrees) escaped from highest unemployment ever there by coming here and to other Asian countries to earn money teaching English and live cheaply...I've met some of them now living on benefits in Auckland. They would've been earning and spending yet probably not paying any taxes/rates to contribute towards their use of services. Kiwi ingenuity?

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I will start the ball rolling with a guesstimate of 350,000:00plus living here, any advance on that welcome.

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Cannot comment on the exact amts but one thing is for sure, the amt is dwindling fast as more Professional expats are relocating to certain events like ttries like Singapore, Malaysia and Vietnam. Also seeing a new trend of expats moving to Indonesia, India and also China. If you were to observe memberships of actual expats at the various Chambers Of Commerce, you can see that those figures are declining and also if you were to observe certain recent events like Amcham's Independence Day Celebrations, Ploenchit Fair, The Bumrungrad Abbual Healthy Living Fair, The International Women's Club Bazaar, YWCA's Bazaar.......the number of expats certainly dropped. Just look at the ads in Thaivisa and you can see how many are selling their homes due to relocations.

There is however a slight increase of younger British Blokes coming in to find work and live in Thailand but not belonging to the Professional work brackets, most have lower eductaion brackets. There is also a huge amount of Chinese Malaysians and Singaporeans (who are usually labelled as Ah Bengs) coming into Thailand and settling here and indulging in nefarious activities. Most have little education.

I suppose it depends on how you define an expat.

I know quite a few expats living in Thailand very few of which live in Bangkok where most of the organisations you mention are based and none of the guys I know would ever go there.

What constitutes a professional expat in the way of education?

I certainly never went to college or university but I was a professional cellular engineer build mobile phone networks in over 20 countries in my time and worked up from a field engineer to regional manager so IMHO education has little to show for it.

I know in my time as a manager that when I had the choice of hiring an ex college man who has worked and knows what he is doing against a guy with a degree who has never worked the college guy gets the job every time.

At least younger Brits who are coming into the country are showing initiative and getting out to actually do something.

When I worked in Thailand from 1994 to 1997 my managers were always around at the international clubs in Bangkok and had no interest in the rest of Thailand which gave us field guys a whole country to play with and it was great. When they moved on to another country it was the same.

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About 3 years ago, the British Embassy reckoned there were 35000 Brits living long term in Thailand. That covers, retirees, English teachers, company managers on 2 - 3 year contracts etc.

Anyone want to extrapolate from that single data point?

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Cannot comment on the exact amts but one thing is for sure, the amt is dwindling fast as more Professional expats are relocating to certain events like ttries like Singapore, Malaysia and Vietnam. Also seeing atnew trend of expats moving to Indonesia, India and also China. If you were to observe memberships of actual expats at the various Chambers Of Commerce, you can see that those figures are declining and also if you were to observe certain recent events like Amcham's Independence Day Celebrations, Ploenchit Fair, The Bumrungrad Abbual Healthy Living Fair, The International Women's Club Bazaar, YWCA's Bazaar.......the number of expats certainly dropped. Just look at the ads in Thaivisa and you can see how many are selling their homes due to relocations.

There is however a slight increase of younger British Blokes coming in to find work and live in Thailand but not belonging to the Professional work brackets, most have lower eductaion brackets. There is also a huge amount of Chinese Malaysians and Singaporeans (who are usually labelled as Ah Bengs) coming into Thailand and settling here and indulging in nefarious activities. Most have little education.

I definitely agree with regard to the age of the average expat. When i first got here 7 years ago, there really were not a lot of guys in their twenties and even guys in their thirties were a bit rarer. Now both appear to be in vast abundance. They also seem to date the same women as the guys in their 60's :bah:

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Cannot comment on the exact amts but one thing is for sure, the amt is dwindling fast as more Professional expats are relocating to certain events like ttries like Singapore, Malaysia and Vietnam. Also seeing atnew trend of expats moving to Indonesia, India and also China. If you were to observe memberships of actual expats at the various Chambers Of Commerce, you can see that those figures are declining and also if you were to observe certain recent events like Amcham's Independence Day Celebrations, Ploenchit Fair, The Bumrungrad Abbual Healthy Living Fair, The International Women's Club Bazaar, YWCA's Bazaar.......the number of expats certainly dropped. Just look at the ads in Thaivisa and you can see how many are selling their homes due to relocations.

There is however a slight increase of younger British Blokes coming in to find work and live in Thailand but not belonging to the Professional work brackets, most have lower eductaion brackets. There is also a huge amount of Chinese Malaysians and Singaporeans (who are usually labelled as Ah Bengs) coming into Thailand and settling here and indulging in nefarious activities. Most have little education.

I definitely agree with regard to the age of the average expat. When i first got here 7 years ago, there really were not a lot of guys in their twenties and even guys in their thirties were a bit rarer. Now both appear to be in vast abundance. They also seem to date the same women as the guys in their 60's :bah:

so you dont like all the competition? :lol:

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But I do not see how the farangs such as business owners or employees that acquire their incomes from Thailand actually benefit Thailand? They seem to take out more then they put in. Although business owners, if legal, claim that they are good for the Thai economy by creating employment for Thais and paying taxes, those that declare taxes of course, they are still gaining the benefits of much cheaper labor and paying much less tax then they would in the West, getting rich on the proceeds but not citizens, yet, enjoying a more prosperous lifestyle then the average Thai worker and even nationals in their own countries. So it appears they gain more then they put in.

Do you need a work permit to grind your axe?

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But I do not see how the farangs such as business owners or employees that acquire their incomes from Thailand actually benefit Thailand?

They pay their employees salaries - and often more than Thai employers.

They pay taxes.

They pay for food and lodging.

They pay for entertainment.

They buy things locally.

They often travel locally.

Etc., etc.

I'm sorry, but I do not understand your logic. :unsure:

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<Irony on>

Expats do not add to the Thai economy - they are the economy. Thailand would be doomed otherwise. The GDP generated by expats is just whatever the BoT publishes.

</Irony off>

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How many expats are living in Thailand?

The closest realistic answer you would get by asking all the embassies, they try to keep track of their citizens residing here.

Obviously they would only know about people who registered at their embassy, plus those who did not, but who are known to the embassy because they came for a new passport or other consular services at least once.

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