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Veera Sentenced To Eight Years In Cambodian Jail

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Buchholz    2,952

The charge is ridiculous, but given the contempt with which Veera has treated Cambodia I feel little sympathy.

Well makes no difference if the charge is ridicules or not.

He is guilty of espionage.

Just because Thai's and farongs can only see scrub land if it is a military base you are spying on it. They do not have to prove he passed any thing on just that he was spying on them. If I am correct he did take a pictures with his phone. Why?

Pretty slim reasoning. It is how ever sufficient to give him what he deserves.

Having seen a friend's camera confiscated because he took a picture of some scenery in China that also included a supposedly important bridge, espionage can be interpreted in a pretty broad manner.

Was your friend sentenced to 8 years in prison?

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Asa    1

Veera cannot do much within Cambodian jail under Cambodian law, can he? He may realize now that the Khmer authorities are not easy to deal with like the officials on the Thai side. Now it is real, not only war of words. All this because he think lightly. All this because the Thai soldiers let the Khmer take over the land in the area for too long, and little action has been done to protect its land. Some may think Veera is an idiot to quote Google Earth Map in his defense, but on a second thought why the Khmer so much hate the map is maybe because it makes the world see clearly where the border line lies. I hope Veera will be freed sooner than eight years.

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whybother    8,255
PAD gives govt 3 days to evict Cambodian settlement, help Veera and Ratree; to decide on next major move on Feb 5 /TAN_Network

And then?

Do they really think that evicting the Cambodian settlers is going to help Veera and Ratree?

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Thai at Heart    17,298

The charge is ridiculous, but given the contempt with which Veera has treated Cambodia I feel little sympathy.

Well makes no difference if the charge is ridicules or not.

He is guilty of espionage.

Just because Thai's and farongs can only see scrub land if it is a military base you are spying on it. They do not have to prove he passed any thing on just that he was spying on them. If I am correct he did take a pictures with his phone. Why?

Pretty slim reasoning. It is how ever sufficient to give him what he deserves.

Having seen a friend's camera confiscated because he took a picture of some scenery in China that also included a supposedly important bridge, espionage can be interpreted in a pretty broad manner.

Was your friend sentenced to 8 years in prison?

Nope. But neither was a known repeat offender, with known anti-Chinese government sentiment.

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Mackie    966

This is just another attempt by Cambodians to provoke Thais further and cause more internal problems for Abhisit's government. We all know who is behind it, don't we? It's been very well coordinated.

People keep forgetting that Cambodian PM is a former Khmer Rouge. His party is fiercely nationalistic. (Cambodian's People Party)....Sounds familiar??? How on earth anyone can support Hue Sen and his totalitarian regime is beyond me.

FYI

PHNOM PENH (AFP) – The Cambodian government is choking freedoms and locking up detractors in an increasingly bold effort to silence critics as elections loom, observers say.

Prime Minister Hun Sen, 59, who has vowed to remain in power until he is 90, recently said on national radio that his aim was "not just to weaken the opposition, but to make it die".

The comment was the latest in a string of outbursts against critics, prompting fears that freedoms are under threat as the government looks ahead to local polls next year and a general election in 2013.

"The space for dissent has shrunk to the point where people are gasping for air," said Mathieu Pellerin of local rights group Licadho.

"Vast areas of political debate have been effectively declared off-limits. The most minor venture into these fenced-off topics can bring the authorities' wrath, whether you are a prominent politician or an anonymous village farmer."

Outspoken opposition leader Sam Rainsy, who lives in self-imposed exile, has been sentenced in absentia to 12 years in jail over two cases related to border issues with Vietnam.

If the sentences are upheld, he will be unable to challenge Hun Sen's ruling Cambodian People's Party (CPP) in the 2013 poll.

"The CPP is preparing for the next election, that much is clear," said a Cambodia-based Western expert, on the condition of anonymity.

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Buchholz    2,952

Well makes no difference if the charge is ridicules or not.

He is guilty of espionage.

Just because Thai's and farongs can only see scrub land if it is a military base you are spying on it. They do not have to prove he passed any thing on just that he was spying on them. If I am correct he did take a pictures with his phone. Why?

Pretty slim reasoning. It is how ever sufficient to give him what he deserves.

Having seen a friend's camera confiscated because he took a picture of some scenery in China that also included a supposedly important bridge, espionage can be interpreted in a pretty broad manner.

Was your friend sentenced to 8 years in prison?

Nope. But neither was a known repeat offender, with known anti-Chinese government sentiment.

Neither was Veera a repeat offender of espionage. He was a repeat offender for tresspassing, for which the first offenders within his group were fined the princely sum of $250.

Clearly, Veera was sentenced to prison to 8 years for his known anti-Cambodian government sentiment.... and not for espionage.

His co-defendant Ratree was sentenced to 6 years in prison for having a camera like your friend and who had no known anti-Cambodian sentiment and no prior record.

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Thai at Heart    17,298

Neither was Veera a repeat offender of espionage. He was a repeat offender for tresspassing, for which the first offenders within his group were fined the princely sum of $250.

Clearly, Veera was sentenced to prison to 8 years for his known anti-Cambodian government sentiment.... and not for espionage.

His co-defendant Ratree was sentenced to 6 years in prison for having a camera like your friend and who had no known anti-Cambodian sentiment and no prior record.

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Indeed not a repeat offender for espionage. However, there was mention elsewhere of a hidden camera being used somewhere. Whether it is true or not, we will never know.

TAN Report - Hidden Camera

Cambodian officials claim they found a hidden camera in a shirt button and a sound recorder on their bodies.

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hammered    168

The charge is ridiculous, but given the contempt with which Veera has treated Cambodia I feel little sympathy.

Well makes no difference if the charge is ridicules or not.

He is guilty of espionage.

Just because Thai's and farongs can only see scrub land if it is a military base you are spying on it. They do not have to prove he passed any thing on just that he was spying on them. If I am correct he did take a pictures with his phone. Why?

Pretty slim reasoning. It is how ever sufficient to give him what he deserves.

Having seen a friend's camera confiscated because he took a picture of some scenery in China that also included a supposedly important bridge, espionage can be interpreted in a pretty broad manner.

A few years back a bunch of Iranian diplomats were expelled from the US for taking pics of bridges etc in NY. It always depends who you are, what you represent or are perceived as representing and where you are from.

Posturing

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Thai at Heart    17,298

A few years back a bunch of Iranian diplomats were expelled from the US for taking pics of bridges etc in NY. It always depends who you are, what you represent or are perceived as representing and where you are from.

Posturing

Precisely

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Buchholz    2,952

A few years back a bunch of Iranian diplomats were expelled from the US for taking pics of bridges etc in NY. It always depends who you are, what you represent or are perceived as representing and where you are from.

Posturing

Precisely

Exactly, which is why it has nothing to do with the accuracy of Veera and Ratree's so-called espionage, hence the "trumped-up charge" statement earlier in the thread.

It's all about posturing by Hun Sen and nothing to do with spying, which is why 8 year and 6 year prison sentences are totally unjustified.

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animatic    4,436

A few years back a bunch of Iranian diplomats were expelled from the US for taking pics of bridges etc in NY. It always depends who you are, what you represent or are perceived as representing and where you are from.

Posturing

Precisely

He was without portfolio, on his own, entering internationally disputed territory claimed by both another country and his own.

it was not an official delegation pre-arranged through diplomatic channels to find facts, he did it on his own.

It was a military area, and this was stated well before, and he entered it and took pictures.

A military area need not be fenced in to still be a military area.

He entered an area he knew to be controlled by a foreign power,

while disputing that countries control, with no authority to do so.

He is known to be publicly hostile to Cambodia and to dispute Cambodia's sovereignty of the land.

There are so many reasons for them to slap him down hard it's astounding he didn't get MORE TIME.

PAD of course are going ballistic over this, but he made his own bed and must join the bedbugs for some time.

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Thai at Heart    17,298

A few years back a bunch of Iranian diplomats were expelled from the US for taking pics of bridges etc in NY. It always depends who you are, what you represent or are perceived as representing and where you are from.

Posturing

Precisely

He was without portfolio, on his own, entering internationally disputed territory claimed by both another country and his own.

it was not an official delegation pre-arranged through diplomatic channels to find facts, he did it on his own.

It was a military area, and this was stated well before, and he entered it and took pictures.

A military area need not be fenced in to still be a military area.

He entered an area he knew to be controlled by a foreign power,

while disputing that countries control, with no authority to do so.

He is known to be publicly hostile to Cambodia and to dispute Cambodia's sovereignty of the land.

There are so many reasons for them to slap him down hard it's astounding he didn't get MORE TIME.

PAD of course are going ballistic over this, but he made his own bed and must join the bedbugs for some time.

Entirely agree. Veera yanked the chain, and the dog bit back.

I didn't mean to imply that I believed the Cambodian charges were posturing, rather that the context of who the guy was, where he was going, the intent of what he was doing, and the fact that he recorded it, possibly covertly, opens him up very easily to the accusation of espionage.

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ballpoint    2,430

Cambodia must surely be actively attempting to track down and prosecute Youtube poster "wannaprasart" as well his thousands of viewers for espionage of their highly classified military base.

How the wily spy team got past the superbly trained base security guards depicted in the opening segment and the extremely fortified base remains a mystery.

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Well, if the Cambodians are claiming that they have a highly classified military base right there (which would seem to be a strange claim to make, given its top secret nature) and someone wanders in and shows that there is no such thing then I suppose that is classed as spying. Perhaps a little simpler than flying a U2 over the USSR to prove or disprove the existance of a military installation, but more effective in its own way.

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anterian    350

Espionage can be loosly defined as the seeking of information about one's enemies or rivals. It does not have to be making plans of military installations, it could be just chatting to locals to get an idea of how the think and feel about certain matters. Civilian morale is just as important as military power.

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webfact    24,346

Convicted Thai Activists in Cambodia to File Appeals

The attornies of the two Thai citizens sentenced to prison for tresspassing and espionage by the Cambodian court have already begun the process of filing appeals.

Nattaporn Toprayoon, an attorney appointed by the Thai Patriots Network or the TPN, reported that Veera Somkwarmkid and Ratree Pipattanapaiboon, the two Thai citizens sentenced to prison by the Cambodian court, have already begun the filing appeals and requests for bail release.

In addition, Nattaporn is planning to file a lawsuit with the International Criminal Court against the Cambodian government led by Prime Minister Hun Sen.

The TPN lawyer will also request that the international court review the case.

He pointed to the questionable impartiality of the Cambodian judicial system and the authenticity of the prosecutor's evidence.

Secretary to the Thai Foreign Minister, Chavanond Intarakomalyasut, has announced that the government will provide full assistance for both Veera and Ratree if the two decide to appeal the case and change attorneys.

Chanvanond pointed out that instead of appealing the case, the Thai citizens could ask to be royally pardoned by the Cambodian monarch.

Meanwhile, security at the Cambodian Embassy in Bangkok has been increased.

More than 200 police officers have been deployed to the area since last night, and fences have been erected around the compound. However, no protesters have been sighted so far.

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