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Alex5211    1

I have read through the rubber topics here but I have not found a discussion about the different brands, ingredients and prices for rubber tree fertilizers.

Except that a rough estimate for a 50kg bag is about 1000 Baht.

I heard some poor thai farmers in my wife´s village are buying the fertilizers and sometimes they do not even work. The seller says: I cannot do anything about that etc. and they just accept it.

Following Brands seem to work or to be ok although they differ greatly of what ingredients they contain:

Yara

Katai (Rabbit brand) with following ingredients: 15% N - 15% P²O² - 15%K²O - 3,5% CaO

And there is supposed to be organic fertilizers from Malaysia that are less than half the price and they are supposed to work as good. I am suspicious of that.

What ingredients for young and old rubber trees do you suggest?

How much right now is a 50kg bag of for example Yara or Katai or a similar brand?

Do you have any suggestion for any brand and how to buy it? through which channels? What has worked for you?

Right now I have offers for 50kg bags of different brands starting from 830 to 950 Baht including transport or 810 Baht without transport in Northern Isaarn.

I want to buy 50 or up to 500 bags of 50kg each and I need a good source and a good product.

How long can you store these fertilizers? Years

And last but not least: what is your experience with fertilizing 2,3 or 4 times a year. Is 2 times optimal for expenses/return?

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Alex5211    1

NPK 20-10-12 for rubber trees.

C35B

thanks for your answer!

rubber trees any age -same fertilizer??

is this the company (see attachement)? this place seems to be in Nakhon Patom, near Bangkok? this one has 20-10-12...

any alternatives? where do you buy?

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Alex5211    1

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NPK 20-10-12 for rubber trees.

C35B

thanks for your answer!

rubber trees any age -same fertilizer??

is this the company (see attachement)? this place seems to be in Nakhon Patom, near Bangkok? this one has 20-10-12...

any alternatives? where do you buy?

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jamescollister    972

NPK 20-10-12 for rubber trees.

C35B

thanks for your answer!

rubber trees any age -same fertilizer??

is this the company (see attachement)? this place seems to be in Nakhon Patom, near Bangkok? this one has 20-10-12...

any alternatives? where do you buy?

Go to your local Amphor Office and get the idiots guide to rubber. It has all the fertiliser types and times to use. It is in Thai and even I could understand it. Don't buy off those snake oil salesman that come around selling magic fertiliser, buy from the bigger supply stores. Jim

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IsaanAussie    883

So Jim, I suppose this snake oil saleman couldnt interest you in some compost and biochar? A little soil drench, no oil included?

Isaan Aussie

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Alex5211    1

Jim, thanks for the answer.

I am trying to convince my wife to convince her sister to go to the local Amphoe Office..

that is kind of an ongoing effort right now;)

Is there only one Amphoe office? Is it the same one that handles birth certificates???

I will try to get this brochure. We are not in Isarn but maybe I can get it in Hua Hin also?

I am sure the vast majority of thai rubber farmers have never studied that book.

do you mind to give a quick outline for young trees, middle age and old trees - which fertilizer to give?

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jamescollister    972

So Jim, I suppose this snake oil saleman couldnt interest you in some compost and biochar? A little soil drench, no oil included?

Isaan Aussie

worst type of snake oil salesman is an Aussie, but I would take all the pig shit you have. Jim

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IsaanAussie    883

So Jim, I suppose this snake oil saleman couldnt interest you in some compost and biochar? A little soil drench, no oil included?

Isaan Aussie

worst type of snake oil salesman is an Aussie, but I would take all the pig shit you have. Jim

sorry dont have enough pig manure to sell it at the expense of the compost.

IA

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Alex5211    1

NPK 20-10-12 for rubber trees.

C35B

20-10-12 is only for young rubber trees it seems

any other useful (please) input here?

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tothemark    1

20 8 20 for the older rubber, yellow bag with a crown on it, VIV, some call it superman !

I paid 880 a bag today, but its going up and with the libya crisis all fertiliser will skyrocket, perhaps even to 2008 levels of 1400 a bag, so it might be worth buying the whole years supply now. Thats if you have somewhere cool/ shaded and ventilated and safe to store it.

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So Jim, I suppose this snake oil saleman couldnt interest you in some compost and biochar? A little soil drench, no oil included?

Isaan Aussie

worst type of snake oil salesman is an Aussie, but I would take all the pig shit you have. Jim

sorry dont have enough pig manure to sell it at the expense of the compost.

IA

don't worry Jimmy boy it's nothing personal he pulled the same crap (can I say that here) with me I got bags of his finished product but no raw stuff for woims and even inspected the entire operation and found no snakeskins but I was moving so fast I might have stepped on a live one and not noticed. Got a bunch of water lettuce and that sounds like the real future "oil" , snakes not even included for this charlatan or is the word chameleon. Only thing I know is that I'll throw my money his way when it comes to his products. Hell he even has it together enough to have Duroc hogs that will be just perfect in color to manage the warm tropical suns for my free range swimming hogs cycle of the year for the small farm, should finish the perimeter klong/fence before the rainy season hits I hope. Hogs, plants from water bogs, composts and teas to set your plants free, I'll put my faith in this healer of the land and soul, seller of oils of snake and castings of worms that shake. I loaded the Ford "custom" "Rung" wagon with the compost bags and worm castings and had it a half meter high on the roof (I'll haul 50% more next time I and the compost are available and will end up paying full wholesale price, I imagine, because the first deal was way too good (I'm sure part of the snake oil tradesman policy, sell it low make it the best and if they write something good and come back again and again to buy more hey maybe you're doing something right) on my side (heck a fire as dey all say dis boy so deeeranged he wanted to throw in some fine butchered hog meat for free too before I ran away from him. My daddy told me.......). Anywho I transplanted dozens of rare variety tomatoes, some wild ones included from the American desert land, that I had started on Dec 1. All these went into raise beds that I ammended that day with his "pig bio-char EM" "snake oil" compost with a helpful bunch in each hole. As I am sure Soidog can attest these were not the fittest of specimens but from Hua Hin to Issan they were survivors. Now they are exploding from the ground (according to undisclosed sources) (I'm in the US freezing enroute to the desert of Death Valley) with the corn backing them up and sprouting out of the ground in a few days. An entire previous planting of carrots was a 0% bust and in the same ground with compost we now have completely successful germination and fast growth. i can't wait for the day that his loader is up again(I/A I got the guy working on the main hydraulics, my clutch man in Prakon Chai, for the Ford and will be in touch when he finishes it up) I'll be able to test it in April, (and oh I'll geev eet a good test or two) working and dozens of pigs a week start to move through, save me a post harvest xmas litter. With that much manure even you and I jim might be able to get a bag or two of unprocessed stuff and hopefully will keep the cost down where it is now and will make the ability to haul 10-100 tons a year a reality. As of now I'll buy every bag I can get my hands on and can stuff into that old Ford wagon, sure would like to customize it into a hot rod flatbed but I/A I don't think I'm as bad a jammer as you are to be able to pull it off but maybe we could do a little trade and you take it for a while and put some jimmy jam on it though I doubt you know that much about autos (a yuk a yukka) Ford loaders full of compost Forever

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customcurb    4

have been to the ag office in the amphur and got the generic info.

anyone ever tried or know of this this company? T.R.M. Associated Co., Ltd.

was referenced on the Bandunglife site and has website as www.trminter.com

comments ?

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jamescollister    972

So Jim, I suppose this snake oil saleman couldnt interest you in some compost and biochar? A little soil drench, no oil included?

Isaan Aussie

worst type of snake oil salesman is an Aussie, but I would take all the pig shit you have. Jim

sorry dont have enough pig manure to sell it at the expense of the compost.

IA

don't worry Jimmy boy it's nothing personal he pulled the same crap (can I say that here) with me I got bags of his finished product but no raw stuff for woims and even inspected the entire operation and found no snakeskins but I was moving so fast I might have stepped on a live one and not noticed. Got a bunch of water lettuce and that sounds like the real future "oil" , snakes not even included for this charlatan or is the word chameleon. Only thing I know is that I'll throw my money his way when it comes to his products. Hell he even has it together enough to have Duroc hogs that will be just perfect in color to manage the warm tropical suns for my free range swimming hogs cycle of the year for the small farm, should finish the perimeter klong/fence before the rainy season hits I hope. Hogs, plants from water bogs, composts and teas to set your plants free, I'll put my faith in this healer of the land and soul, seller of oils of snake and castings of worms that shake. I loaded the Ford "custom" "Rung" wagon with the compost bags and worm castings and had it a half meter high on the roof (I'll haul 50% more next time I and the compost are available and will end up paying full wholesale price, I imagine, because the first deal was way too good (I'm sure part of the snake oil tradesman policy, sell it low make it the best and if they write something good and come back again and again to buy more hey maybe you're doing something right) on my side (heck a fire as dey all say dis boy so deeeranged he wanted to throw in some fine butchered hog meat for free too before I ran away from him. My daddy told me.......). Anywho I transplanted dozens of rare variety tomatoes, some wild ones included from the American desert land, that I had started on Dec 1. All these went into raise beds that I ammended that day with his "pig bio-char EM" "snake oil" compost with a helpful bunch in each hole. As I am sure Soidog can attest these were not the fittest of specimens but from Hua Hin to Issan they were survivors. Now they are exploding from the ground (according to undisclosed sources) (I'm in the US freezing enroute to the desert of Death Valley) with the corn backing them up and sprouting out of the ground in a few days. An entire previous planting of carrots was a 0% bust and in the same ground with compost we now have completely successful germination and fast growth. i can't wait for the day that his loader is up again(I/A I got the guy working on the main hydraulics, my clutch man in Prakon Chai, for the Ford and will be in touch when he finishes it up) I'll be able to test it in April, (and oh I'll geev eet a good test or two) working and dozens of pigs a week start to move through, save me a post harvest xmas litter. With that much manure even you and I jim might be able to get a bag or two of unprocessed stuff and hopefully will keep the cost down where it is now and will make the ability to haul 10-100 tons a year a reality. As of now I'll buy every bag I can get my hands on and can stuff into that old Ford wagon, sure would like to customize it into a hot rod flatbed but I/A I don't think I'm as bad a jammer as you are to be able to pull it off but maybe we could do a little trade and you take it for a while and put some jimmy jam on it though I doubt you know that much about autos (a yuk a yukka) Ford loaders full of compost Forever

I will take it from the above you think AIs stuff is ok. I am hoping that after the rains come and there is some Baht coming in, instead of out, I will head over that way and have a look to see what a real farmer does. Jim

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Alex5211    1

I have watched an official movie about Rubber Tree Cultivation made and distributed by the Ministry of Agriculture Thailand.

Their recommandation for fertilizer is N-P-K 20-10-12 for up to 6 years.. the movie did not mention the years after. But I guess it is the same.

This seems to be the only mixture you need (as Chang35 was hinting in his supershort message).

No reason for all the rest except that every company wants to sell something special and they are keeping to make up new formulas.

Kasetsart University seems to make excellent independant research. From what I hear they have a very good reputation.

The movie´s info was based on their research on rubber trees as I understand.

So far I found only LungArun Brand that has 20-10-12 but I do not know what quality they have.

Quality is a big factor.

The offer is 850 Baht right now for a 50kg Bag - small or big quantity same same.

Prices for other Brands with different mixtures vary between 850-1000 Baht (Katai, Kasethip, Yara)

Can you mix N - P - K yourself? It should be easily possible. Any useful information?

Where are the thai NPK factories? Are there any or is it all import?

any other recommandations, brands or ways to get those rubber trees to do really well?

I can buy 300 bags NPK fertilizer right now. I need at least 100.

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