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I was up and down Sukhumvit and Silom last weekend and not a sniff of 3G.

Funny I will be working in Indonesia next week on a remote island, there we can get 3G in the middle of the jungle! I was on an oil rig in West Java last month about 50kms offshore and could get 3G there. Jakarta is 100% covered. Shame Thailand is so far behind its 'less developed' neighbours!

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I was up and down Sukhumvit and Silom last weekend and not a sniff of 3G.

Funny I will be working in Indonesia next week on a remote island, there we can get 3G in the middle of the jungle! I was on an oil rig in West Java last month about 50kms offshore and could get 3G there. Jakarta is 100% covered. Shame Thailand is so far behind its 'less developed' neighbours!

Which equipment and SIM were you using?

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I was up and down Sukhumvit and Silom last weekend and not a sniff of 3G.

Funny I will be working in Indonesia next week on a remote island, there we can get 3G in the middle of the jungle! I was on an oil rig in West Java last month about 50kms offshore and could get 3G there. Jakarta is 100% covered. Shame Thailand is so far behind its 'less developed' neighbours!

Which equipment and SIM were you using?

AIS (prepaid) Sim with Blackberry Torch. It picks up 3G everywhere else when available, but only EDGE in BKK last weekend.

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No problems with AIS 3G in the locations HardenedSoul and QED experienced problems. I've been using a Samsung Cooper.

I suspect some sort of user error, configuration or data plan issue.

Assuming you have a 3G - 900 Mhz-capable phone (not sure about the BB Torch, some are 850 some are 900), and AIS SIM, have subscribed to a 3G data plan, have configured the APN, rebooted the device, then you should get AIS 3G.

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No problems with AIS 3G in the locations HardenedSoul and QED experienced problems. I've been using a Samsung Cooper.

I suspect some sort of user error, configuration or data plan issue.

Assuming you have a 3G - 900 Mhz-capable phone (not sure about the BB Torch, some are 850 some are 900), and AIS SIM, have subscribed to a 3G data plan, have configured the APN, rebooted the device, then you should get AIS 3G.

I specifically asked the girl at AIS customer services if one had to subscribe to s 3G plan before being able to detect it (I figured that as TIT, that could easily have been the case). She said, "No, Khun HardenedSoul, we don't expect you to subscribe to a plan if you can't see "3G" on your device."

All the settings on my HTC Desire S (900MHz) are as required and the phone's been re-booted.

Tell you what, stand at the entrance to Soi Cowboy and tell me if you get 3G

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Tell you what, stand at the entrance to Soi Cowboy and tell me if you get 3G

Will do, although maybe not a for a few days as I am out of town. A few days ago I did get AIS 3G transitioning from the MRT to the BTS at Asoke. Which is quite close to the entrance to Soi Cowboy.

Which "entrance"? Ratchadapisek/Asoke? Soi 23?

Is this the only place you cannot get AIS 3G? You can get AIS 3G in many other locations?

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All the settings on my HTC Desire S (900MHz) are as required and the phone's been re-booted.

Note that HTC Desire S from HTC Thailand is 850/2100 Mhz 3G so would not work on AIS's 900 Mhz 3G network.

http://www.dtac.co.th/htc/spec_desire.php

Maybe you have an HTC Desire S from somewhere else? Are you sure it supports 900 Mhz 3G? (Note that the earlier version, HTC Desire was 900/2100 Mhz 3G.)

Sorry, re-read your post. It seems like you really are not trying use 3G? Rather you want to see if your phone can "sense" a nearby 3G network? And show that it in a display? I think you still have to set an APN? Sorry, you've got me totally confused.

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Note that HTC Desire S from HTC Thailand is 850/2100 Mhz 3G so would not work on AIS's 900 Mhz 3G network.

http://www.dtac.co.th/htc/spec_desire.php

Maybe you have an HTC Desire S from somewhere else? Are you sure it supports 900 Mhz 3G? (Note that the earlier version, HTC Desire was 900/2100 Mhz 3G.)

I thought your suggestion a little audacious at first because the bird at the Truemove shop in Siam swore blind that the HTC Desire S only used 900MHz; I asked her if she was sure; she confirmed she was and since her English was excellent, she was more credible than your ordinary Thai CS Rep. I got home, checked it out myself and the HTC site confirmed the same. So I resigned myself to waiting for AIS to sort their lives out.

Imagine my surprise, then, when checking the Thai HTC site to disprove your theory, it was there in glorious f***ing black & white. "HSPA/WCDMA: Europe/Asia: 850/2100". You really can't trust any customer service operation in this country for reliable, factual information , can you ?

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Note that HTC Desire S from HTC Thailand is 850/2100 Mhz 3G so would not work on AIS's 900 Mhz 3G network.

http://www.dtac.co.th/htc/spec_desire.php

Maybe you have an HTC Desire S from somewhere else? Are you sure it supports 900 Mhz 3G? (Note that the earlier version, HTC Desire was 900/2100 Mhz 3G.)

I thought your suggestion a little audacious at first because the bird at the Truemove shop in Siam swore blind that the HTC Desire S only used 900MHz; I asked her if she was sure; she confirmed she was and since her English was excellent, she was more credible than your ordinary Thai CS Rep. I got home, checked it out myself and the HTC site confirmed the same. So I resigned myself to waiting for AIS to sort their lives out.

Imagine my surprise, then, when checking the Thai HTC site to disprove your theory, it was there in glorious f***ing black & white. "HSPA/WCDMA: Europe/Asia: 850/2100". You really can't trust any customer service operation in this country for reliable, factual information , can you ?

Based on your initial post it seemed like yours was a self-inflicted problem; what is commonly referred to as "problem exists between screen and chair". :D

As your phone does not support 900 Mhz 3G it would seem unreasonable to expect AIS's 3G to work with your phone. You can use DTAC or True as both operate on 850 Mhz 3G.

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Based on your initial post it seemed like yours was a self-inflicted problem; what is commonly referred to as "problem exists between screen and chair". :D

As your phone does not support 900 Mhz 3G it would seem unreasonable to expect AIS's 3G to work with your phone. You can use DTAC or True as both operate on 850 Mhz 3G.

Well the truth has, indeed, set me free. Although I didn't need the help, the CS girl at AIS took me through a 3G set-up procedure for the HTC Desire S. If that phone wasn't supported, surely her info should've told her that.

I'll head back to Truemove and ask that CS bird to give me back the 2 or 3 hours of my life I've spent pissing about with this . . . :lol:

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I was up and down Sukhumvit and Silom last weekend and not a sniff of 3G.

Funny I will be working in Indonesia next week on a remote island, there we can get 3G in the middle of the jungle! I was on an oil rig in West Java last month about 50kms offshore and could get 3G there. Jakarta is 100% covered. Shame Thailand is so far behind its 'less developed' neighbours!

Which equipment and SIM were you using?

AIS (prepaid) Sim with Blackberry Torch. It picks up 3G everywhere else when available, but only EDGE in BKK last weekend.

BlackBerry Torch doesn't appear to do AIS 3G. Only TRUE and/or TOT....unless it's the BlackBerry Torch 9860.

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I was up and down Sukhumvit and Silom last weekend and not a sniff of 3G.

Funny I will be working in Indonesia next week on a remote island, there we can get 3G in the middle of the jungle! I was on an oil rig in West Java last month about 50kms offshore and could get 3G there. Jakarta is 100% covered. Shame Thailand is so far behind its 'less developed' neighbours!

Which equipment and SIM were you using?

AIS (prepaid) Sim with Blackberry Torch. It picks up 3G everywhere else when available, but only EDGE in BKK last weekend.

BlackBerry Torch doesn't appear to do AIS 3G. Only TRUE and/or TOT....unless it's the BlackBerry Torch 9860.

Yes it is a 9860 (I thought all torches were?), and as I said it will pick up all other 3G networks.

I don't understand why or how a particular brand of phone could be locked out of a particular supplier's 3G network?

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It seems like there are two versions of the Blackberry Torch 9860. (FWIW, it looks like there are many Torch models: 9800, 9810, 9850, 9860.)

Your model supports WCDMA / HSDPA Tri Band (900/1700/2100 MHz) or Quad Mode (800/850/1900/2100).

So you can get AIS which operates on 900 Mhz 3G if your model supports 900 Mhz 3G. If your model supports 850 Mhz 3G then you can get DTAC or Truemove, which operate on 850 Mhz 3G.

My guess: since you cannot get AIS 3G I suspect you have the 850 Mhz model. But who knows? Do you have an AIS SIM? Did you activate a data plan? Do you get EDGE/GPRS?

Based on your initial post it seemed like yours was a self-inflicted problem; what is commonly referred to as "problem exists between screen and chair". :D

As your phone does not support 900 Mhz 3G it would seem unreasonable to expect AIS's 3G to work with your phone. You can use DTAC or True as both operate on 850 Mhz 3G.

Well the truth has, indeed, set me free. Although I didn't need the help, the CS girl at AIS took me through a 3G set-up procedure for the HTC Desire S. If that phone wasn't supported, surely her info should've told her that.

I'll head back to Truemove and ask that CS bird to give me back the 2 or 3 hours of my life I've spent pissing about with this . . . :lol:

You can pop round a 7/11, purchase a Truemove NetSIM or InterSIM, add money, then subscribe to a 3G data plan. This can be done anywhere, in less than 5 minutes. IME, DTAC/Happy has more cost-effective 3G data plans (1 GB for 349 baht, True is 399 baht for 500 MB). With DTAC/Happy I recommend the Invulnerable SIM, 49 baht: rolling expiration date, 0.99 baht per min or SMS.

http://truemove.com/en/prepay-hispeed-net-sim-volumn-base.htm

http://www.truemove.com/en/data-package-volumnbase.htm

http://www.truemove.com/en/Inter-SIM-Prepay.rails

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My take on AIS 3G so far:

AIS switched on my 3G service in BKK even before it was officially rolled out, presumably because I have an unlimited iPhone postpay plan. At first, 3G wasn't bad at all. Speedtests on local servers ran 3.5 Mb, and speed was OK on foreign sites, although nowhere near 3.5 Mb.

Today, I get dreadfully slow 3G speeds during a business day. Last week we had an internet outage at the office, and I used AIG 3G with an iPhone personal hotspot to my laptop, so I had a good snapshot of serviceability throughout the day on the same cell. At times, throughput completely stopped. I was unable to load a single page or even check my email. Absolutely worthless. Interestingly, I switched off 3G on my iPhone and reverted to EDGE and was able to at least get some bandwidth, but only enough to check email really. Also, 3G coverage is spotty in Bangkok. Contrary to what AIS say, BKK is by no means fully covered by 3G. Not even close in my experience with driving around.

Conversely, I was in Chiang Mai last week and 3G speeds were decent, even with foreign servers. The 3G service seemed seamless, and I didn't see a single instance of 3G switching over to EDGE. I even drove around listening to internet radio and didn't even experience a single dropout.

Bottom line for me is, I was very excited to see AIS come out with 3G, but at least in Bangkok, the overall service and bandwidth is actually worse than I received before with EDGE. I suppose this is probably due to the AIS 3G network infrastructure being overloaded with too many users. If you are in the market for 3G right now, I would highly recommend that you give AIS a miss and look at True or DTAC. I'm definitely going to switch out of AIS if I can find something better, and was thinking of buying DTAC and True prepay SIMs just to see how those work on 3G.

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It seems like there are two versions of the Blackberry Torch 9860. (FWIW, it looks like there are many Torch models: 9800, 9810, 9850, 9860.)

Your model supports WCDMA / HSDPA Tri Band (900/1700/2100 MHz) or Quad Mode (800/850/1900/2100).

So you can get AIS which operates on 900 Mhz 3G if your model supports 900 Mhz 3G. If your model supports 850 Mhz 3G then you can get DTAC or Truemove, which operate on 850 Mhz 3G.

My guess: since you cannot get AIS 3G I suspect you have the 850 Mhz model. But who knows? Do you have an AIS SIM? Did you activate a data plan? Do you get EDGE/GPRS?

Based on your initial post it seemed like yours was a self-inflicted problem; what is commonly referred to as "problem exists between screen and chair". :D

As your phone does not support 900 Mhz 3G it would seem unreasonable to expect AIS's 3G to work with your phone. You can use DTAC or True as both operate on 850 Mhz 3G.

Well the truth has, indeed, set me free. Although I didn't need the help, the CS girl at AIS took me through a 3G set-up procedure for the HTC Desire S. If that phone wasn't supported, surely her info should've told her that.

I'll head back to Truemove and ask that CS bird to give me back the 2 or 3 hours of my life I've spent pissing about with this . . . :lol:

You can pop round a 7/11, purchase a Truemove NetSIM or InterSIM, add money, then subscribe to a 3G data plan. This can be done anywhere, in less than 5 minutes. IME, DTAC/Happy has more cost-effective 3G data plans (1 GB for 349 baht, True is 399 baht for 500 MB). With DTAC/Happy I recommend the Invulnerable SIM, 49 baht: rolling expiration date, 0.99 baht per min or SMS.

http://truemove.com/en/prepay-hispeed-net-sim-volumn-base.htm

http://www.truemove.com/en/data-package-volumnbase.htm

http://www.truemove.com/en/Inter-SIM-Prepay.rails

Do you know whether DTAC and True sell micro SIMs suitable for iPhone at 7/11?

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Do you know whether DTAC and True sell micro SIMs suitable for iPhone at 7/11?

http://www.happy.co.th/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=417&Itemid=469〈=en

http://www.truemove.com/3g/en/prepay-microsim.html

Possibly. I have seen some uSIMs in 7-11 type shops. However there are a gazillion mobile phone counters in every mall and indoor space here, and many of them have uSIMs.

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You can pop round a 7/11, purchase a Truemove NetSIM or InterSIM, add money, then subscribe to a 3G data plan. This can be done anywhere, in less than 5 minutes. IME, DTAC/Happy has more cost-effective 3G data plans (1 GB for 349 baht, True is 399 baht for 500 MB). With DTAC/Happy I recommend the Invulnerable SIM, 49 baht: rolling expiration date, 0.99 baht per min or SMS.

Cheers, L

Went down to Treumove on Saturday to transfer my number and kiss AIS goodbye. Had the toughest time convincing the drones at Truemovethat the HTC Desire S for the Thai market receives 3G at 850MHz. They were using some mickey mouse website to check specs for various phones and when I finally persuaded them to check the phone's spec on the official Thai HTC site, they were still incredulous. Took me a good 90 minutes of arsing about and being looked at like I was on drugs before I could leave with my new post-pay contract.

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Went down to Treumove on Saturday to transfer my number and kiss AIS goodbye. Had the toughest time convincing the drones at Truemovethat the HTC Desire S for the Thai market receives 3G at 850MHz. They were using some mickey mouse website to check specs for various phones and when I finally persuaded them to check the phone's spec on the official Thai HTC site, they were still incredulous. Took me a good 90 minutes of arsing about and being looked at like I was on drugs before I could leave with my new post-pay contract.

DTAC was the local launch partner for the HTC Desire S so it's not surprising that Truemove was confuddled.

I think I would recommend people try a service on a temporary basis via pre-paid SIMs before pulling the trigger on a post-paid contract and/or porting a valued number? (Of course I've spent the last 8 months trying everything!)

You can always forward (divert) from an existing number (completely transparent to callers) to a new temporary number, while evaluating on a pre-paid SIM.

Did you try out a Truemove SIM to insure it works with your phone and 3G? I guess the port can take 3 ~ 5 business days? But maybe you are using the new Truemove SIM now? And 3G works fine?

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Went down to Treumove on Saturday to transfer my number and kiss AIS goodbye. Had the toughest time convincing the drones at Truemovethat the HTC Desire S for the Thai market receives 3G at 850MHz. They were using some mickey mouse website to check specs for various phones and when I finally persuaded them to check the phone's spec on the official Thai HTC site, they were still incredulous. Took me a good 90 minutes of arsing about and being looked at like I was on drugs before I could leave with my new post-pay contract.

DTAC was the local launch partner for the HTC Desire S so it's not surprising that Truemove was confuddled.

I think I would recommend people try a service on a temporary basis via pre-paid SIMs before pulling the trigger on a post-paid contract and/or porting a valued number? (Of course I've spent the last 8 months trying everything!)

You can always forward (divert) from an existing number (completely transparent to callers) to a new temporary number, while evaluating on a pre-paid SIM.

Did you try out a Truemove SIM to insure it works with your phone and 3G? I guess the port can take 3 ~ 5 business days? But maybe you are using the new Truemove SIM now? And 3G works fine?

Haven't tried it yet but as I bought the phone in Thailand from a reputable retailer, I've no reason to suspect that the new SIM won't be able to receive 3G. I tried my AIS sim with my old Nokia N86 and I could get 3G no problem. I assumed that if my Desire S couldn't get AIS 3G when my Nokia could, that was all the proof I needed.

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Just as an example of what I am getting from AIS 3G, here is a speed test that I just performed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining or anything - at least I can check my email.

Seriously, this is typical speed for me during the business day, and it is why I am very much looking at DTAC or True and ditching AIS once and for all.

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Ouch. That looks bad. It seems like something is amiss. Is this typical for any location? What type of phone do you have?

Here's DTAC... :D

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