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Mushroom Farming

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Col, I thought I had the mixer already and with the brother in law the two hands are in place.

There might be me a oven that works with gas or wood and packaging machine available from a guy who is going out of buisiness, moving to Spain. I should know next week. The oven does 1,000 at a time. since we are so small I'm leaning toward working with wood.

I think the next ones I will need will be Nong Faa. When would be about the right time to star putting those into packages. We currently have 3,000 Nong Faa and they are still producing. Currently have 8,000 Khon Kao about a month old. I think that will carry me to Nong Faa season.

I will send the brother in Law around the time we make our first ones, so he doesn't forget.

Even if I have to buy new oven and pakager the cost is about 33K.

I heard of doing it in drums before. Thanks for the pics, they make it a lot clearer to understand.

I think I will pursue a wood burning oven. Lots of wood around and that should keep the costs down.

Thanks for all your help

Ray

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Col, I thought I had the mixer already and with the brother in law the two hands are in place.

There might be me a oven that works with gas or wood and packaging machine available from a guy who is going out of buisiness, moving to Spain. I should know next week. The oven does 1,000 at a time. since we are so small I'm leaning toward working with wood.

I think the next ones I will need will be Nong Faa. When would be about the right time to star putting those into packages. We currently have 3,000 Nong Faa and they are still producing. Currently have 8,000 Khon Kao about a month old. I think that will carry me to Nong Faa season.

I will send the brother in Law around the time we make our first ones, so he doesn't forget.

Even if I have to buy new oven and pakager the cost is about 33K.

I heard of doing it in drums before. Thanks for the pics, they make it a lot clearer to understand.

I think I will pursue a wood burning oven. Lots of wood around and that should keep the costs down.

Thanks for all your help

Ray

I don't see the problem with using gas. We can make 2 ovens with one big tank of gas. That is 1200-1300 bottles you can make with it.

For one oven it takes about 2 hours when it starts boiling, after that we let it boil with the gas fully open for about 30 minutes. Then we turn the gas down to about half the power and that for another 4 hours.

I don't know about the timings with the wood, but I think it's much more harder to control the temperature. And also much more work I guess.

Just making your bottles it takes some time already, so I prefer the easy way and just spent a little bit more money for the time I save.

If you are interested I can give you the contactnumber from the person who makes these ovens. He can make several sizes, depends on how many you want to make in a day.

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Thanks, cost would be the only issue. We will be making them for ourselves. So if I could do a thousand in day that should be sufficient.

I have a small nitch market that we do well in. I don't want to step on Thai toes.

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Thanks, cost would be the only issue. We will be making them for ourselves. So if I could do a thousand in day that should be sufficient.

I have a small nitch market that we do well in. I don't want to step on Thai toes.

1000 a day:

If you only making bottles, that means no jobs like cutting mushrooms or other stuff, then it should be possible with 3-4 workers on a 8 hours working day. Also do all your bottles in one day for one oven. Because the quality might not be the same if you spread one oven in 2 days.

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Thanks, cost would be the only issue. We will be making them for ourselves. So if I could do a thousand in day that should be sufficient.

I have a small nitch market that we do well in. I don't want to step on Thai toes.

1000 a day:

If you only making bottles, that means no jobs like cutting mushrooms or other stuff, then it should be possible with 3-4 workers on a 8 hours working day. Also do all your bottles in one day for one oven. Because the quality might not be the same if you spread one oven in 2 days.

Ony planning on one worker, so my sights may be to high

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Just trying to plan ahead a bit, what would be a good time frame to replace Khon Kao with Nong Faa?

I was thinking around Oct. is that to soon?

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Well we finished off our first official year. Had 180 K in sales for the year. Cash in hand of 38K baht

We

started the year with one mushroom house and a 1,000 plants now have a

total on nine places to grow and currently 11,000 plants producing. We

will be adding 4K new plants in a few weeks. Bringing us up yo 15K

plants in production. We will be replacing the 11,000 K in plants over

the next five months depending on how long they have been in production.

We

lost money on the fish roughly 12K baht. But that figure includes

building a holding tank, filter system. About five pumps used for water

and 0-2 supply. We have 400 Talapia in grow nets, each with it's own 0-2

Another 400 Catfish in he small pond.

I made a lot of mistakes

probably killed more then I sold. But lessons hard learned so I will be

limiting my mistakes this t year compared to last year I hope.

So

went through a learning and building year, adding permanent structure

pumps that will last for years. and some cash in our pocket. So I look

for a better year next year.

The worm farm is doing great, we

have doubled the amount we had. Since they eat the mushroom scraps no

money expense involved now. I may start sell bait pretty soon to wait

till the rainy season is over when it's more difficult to get worms.

Ray sounds like a cheap year of first hand learning, but I am a little confused by your numbers. You said you had 180K in sales with 38K baht in hand. Does that mean you have a profit of some 20%?

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That would be pretty close. But a ,lot of profits were tied back into enlarging the operation.

For me this was simple way to track things. Had I used the deprecation method the profits would show higher..

Fish were the biggest lesson to learn. I probably killed more then I sold.

Mushrooms are easy but, time consuming

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That would be pretty close. But a ,lot of profits were tied back into enlarging the operation.

For me this was simple way to track things. Had I used the deprecation method the profits would show higher..

Fish were the biggest lesson to learn. I probably killed more then I sold.

Mushrooms are easy but, time consuming

Any farming enterprise that can fully recover infrastructure investment within a year and show a bottom line profit of 20% is pretty good in my book. Well done.

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I think our next year will be better, we are now paying my 5K a month from the farm. It was very hard for her to see the value of what we did last year.

I doubt that I will expand more over this year. That would take another market opening to us. Then I might do it.

Everything is spaces out so there will not be one big buy, we currently have 2K of Nong Faa and 2K of Khon Kao that should go in this moment, Then we have reached our current capacity that we have now. The it will be replacing the used up packs.

Fish we have 400 catfish now, more then likely we will start catching them next month. We cut expenses there buy not pumping 0-2 to them and added a light with a sensor to turn it on and off during darkness giving them bugs to eat. That really cuts down the cost of food.

Talapia roughly 1,000, last year we had 2,000 and we fed 25%, in the end I don't think it made a lot of difference, relying mop ore on algea.. So this year 16.5% and less feed daily. We are also feeding 50% less then we did last year We have 400 in four floating nets, with a larger net over them, That stops the birds stopping by for lunch. The net is so fine that makes the actual net for them, that they clog up very easily. I need to find something better, that will keep the fry in. But allows the water to circulate. Currently I have 0-2 going into each net. We learned about salting the pond on TV. every time I have ran into a problem that I didn't understand the guys on the forum gave me the answers. I followed them with good results each time.

We have a small cement pond for holding the fish for sale in small amounts. We had problem with filtering that water. On the forum they have given me a different design and I modified our existing filter. That hasn't been tested yet as he fish are to small to sale. But, I'm confident just like everything else I have ran into, the design will help.

I got a tell you when you burn up 30 to 40 Kilo of fish because of mistakes it gets your attentionlaugh.png

So I think things will go better this year. If farming was easy everyone would be doing it. I;m very satisfied with last year. But, I think we will have a better profit in this year. Depending on how many more lessons I need to learn.

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I had a question asked so I thought I would post it here along with my answer:


I have a few questions. Your grow houses are nice. What dimensions are they. Seem to be around 4x8 meters?

Have you ever calculated the growing in m2 space that you inside. You
tell us about the number of bags but not the area. I was working on a
system using sealed trays upright 20cm thick with both faces open with
screens and sealed with plastic, then holes punched after the substrate
was fully bloomed. I use a chopped straw substrate kind of like people
do with plastic logs.

With my system though in a 4x8meter hut I can have over 120m2 area of
growth. But not sure I want to experiment if your yields are just as
good.

Keep it simple is a good motto.

also do you know where to find suppliers of grain spawn?

My houses are 4 by 7 meters, I have five houses, they are set two meters apart I cover the areas in between with thatch then I have lean to sort of thing on the end one. Nothing fancy and i have room for about 17K packets. I save money on building walls and actually have nine locations to grow in.

I have never did straw mushrooms, so my plants lay side ways.

I grow Nong Faa and Khon Khao, the reason being Khon Khao does very well in extreme heat. Khon Khao is more labor intensive they have to be picked twice a day and require more water. We have 8k of those with 2K more coming next week. The old ones are getting tired.

Nong Faa we have 3K anytime you have a temp overnight of less the 25C they will produce. We also have 2 K more of them coming next week.

I did this so the vendors we supply will have product no matter the weather.

I will start replacing Khon Khao with Nong Faa the closer we get to the cools season. But I will always have both varieties.

Grain Spawn no idea.

Hope that helped.

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Nice.

I would suggest instead of just adding more spawn bags to your rooms that after your cycle of flushes (I usually stop after 3-4). I would discard all bags far away from your houses and disinfect the hut. Usually waiting 1 -2 weeks before starting the next cycle. If you keep going and going without fully decontaminating your huts, you might end up with some unwanted molds, fungus etc. Would be bad if a whole crop was destroyed since you are buying bags at 6baht each or so12k baht per hut would be bad to loose. I know a few farmers in their 2nd and 3rd years to loose full crops because they didn't decontaminate between batches.

You might want to experiment making straw logs in large poly bags and creating your own spore spawn, you can clone the exact strain that fruits the best. You might end up getting higher yields in shorter growing lenghts. Might be more labor intensive to keep replacing every 6 weeks but you might end up with much larger yields. 100kg of straw would be minimal, and the spawn if you culture it yourself will be cheap too. You might end up saving 8-10k per hut for a cycle. But you would need a hot room and usually dark for them to culture in usually 2 weeks.

Since you have 17k bags costing 6 baht each that is over 100k baht. How often do your bags fruit? 3-4 months? That would cost a lot if you had to replenish them 2-3 times a year.

Have you tried having blocks of ice on the ground of your nangfa huts. Shouldn't be more than 10-20 baht/day that might lower your hut temp for oyster nangfa, 1-2 degrees and give slightly more humidity, could help with a longer growing season. I found that 22 degrees my strain produced a lot more than at 25 but my strain wasn't heat resistant like a lot of the varieties here in Thailand.

Thanks again for your thread and wonderful and accurate journalling of this adventure. I am certain if you have any scientific blood in you, you will love culturing/cloning your own spawn.

I'm still working out the process to get white cap (hed kratom) to grow for more than 3 months a year. Its a delicate balance of cost effectiveness. I could easily spend 400k baht start up costs and monthly costs of 5k baht to make a cooled grow house, but since they don't actually wholesale for a lot more than nangfa, not really worth it.

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We do disinfect in the crop rotation. Today I had more Nong Faa then Khon Kean, for the rest of this next week, we have forecasts at night below 25. So they will be busy same ting if we get rain. The 4K that come in are for replacement of others. They will go into new houses waiting for them. When we remove the others then we clean things up before we put more in.

I haven't done straw mushrooms do well with what I have. We have sold about 15K baht do far this moment that is plenty for me.

I want more I could just add more houses, I have plenty of room left. But everything we produce is sold within 3 Klms of the farm. So pretty easy on everyone. I have no idea where this si going really depends on our market.

The plants we use now tend to last about five months.

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You keep mentioning straw mushrooms. I am talking about using chopped straw as your substrate.

http://www.fungifun.org/mushworld/Oyster-Mushroom-Cultivation/mushroom-growers-handbook-1-mushworld-com-chapter-4-1.pdf

In picture you can see a straw log vertically hanging with oysters fruiting on it. You can also use straw beds. Or even bags like you do but with straw and small holes punched in after pinning.

There are just different strategies for maximizing growing space. The downside would be fermenting and or pasturizing your substrates. Can require a little bit of effort and some steaming equipment but could be as cheap is 50gallong barrels on top of cement block with wood fire underneath.

But as I said if you are buying 17k bags at 6bht each x3 harvests a year, that is still 300k investment. Even if you are harvesting 15,000 kilos of mushrooms which would bring over 700k in sales you are still loosing more than half to operating costs. Just something to think about, instead of building more huts and producing more, try and reduce costs first. Like I said it is not easy to cultivate your own spores and prepare your own spawn, curing chambers, but wtih each house that you build you increase the risk of more unwanted fungus, mold, bacterial contaminations.

But again, I shouldn't really give advice. I am just spewing things that I am trying to calculate before I take the plunge. You are more brave than I am and just started. I do very small scale, and experimental mycology, but really would like to create a productive commercial operation like you have.

So please don't take my comments as criticism or judgement. I think you are doing great and am quite envious of your success.

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