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Razzler1973

Do You Leave Your Passport With The Motorbike People?

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Razzler1973    269

I have done but tend to rent from the place I am staying where I figure they have a bunch of my money from the place so perhaps won't pull a 'oh look at this scratch' scam on me. I have to say I have never, ever had an issue with that kind of thing renting a bike in Thailand but a lot of people are adament about leaving the passport.

In my experience if you don't then they are more than happy for you to walk away and not rent the bike so what can you do?

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Tropicalevo    2,137

You can offer to leave a photocopy of your passport, or in my case - I leave my Thai driving licence. Any driving licence with a photo on it should also do the trick.

I do sometimes have to 'walk the street', but someone usually gives in and and rents a bike to me.

I have never had an issue with someone trying to pull the old "you have scratched it" scam.

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edwinclapham    499

^^ +1 and actually it is not your passport to give away.

See post https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/329171-koh-tao-motorbike-issue/

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/486800-motorbike-rental-turns-into-stickup/

I have been asked to leave my passport as security before now, not only in Thailand but Vietnam etc. etc. A photocopy is as far as I go. Never give up your original.

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Razzler1973    269

Yeah, I am never uncomfortable with it but in years gone by have refused to give my passport and they have just shrugged and not bothered renting it. Seeing as I have never had an issue with any scams I do wonder why they're that bothered about insisting on the passport though

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notmyself    2,667

I understood you had to in theory keep your passport with you at all times which is why the you don't have to send your UK passport when applying for a new one.

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PattayaPhom    1,426

Dont do it, leave a copy, driving licence or small deposit.....I found especially the foreigner renters, particulary English in Lamai were dam_n right rude if you wouldnt leave your passport....whereas Thai businesses were happy to accept other gaurantees.

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Razzler1973    269

I never experienced Thais being ok with it on places like Koh Pha-Ngan or even Koh Chang and they just seem confident that no one will rent to you so can afford to shrug and let you leave and I have gone around everyone and had no luck and ended up handing my passport over.

I mean, I am aware of the 'dangers' and I do wonder if a lot of places just ask for it as it's the thing everyone does, they don't even think about whether they need it or they should have it or anything

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edwinclapham    499

I never experienced Thais being ok with it on places like Koh Pha-Ngan or even Koh Chang and they just seem confident that no one will rent to you so can afford to shrug and let you leave and I have gone around everyone and had no luck and ended up handing my passport over.

I mean, I am aware of the 'dangers' and I do wonder if a lot of places just ask for it as it's the thing everyone does, they don't even think about whether they need it or they should have it or anything

If you cant find someone of reputable character to hire you a bike without passport, perhaps consider not hiring after all.

My take on it is that they are holding which is something valuable to you hence a good bartering/blackmail tool however you like to look at it, and why put yourself in that situation.

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samuijimmy    27,780

This is a tough one, a friend who rents out bikes, trusted everyone and never took a passport ....

But after one bike totally gone missing, for over a year now and two missing , but found, at ferry terminal,crying.gif ....... he now insists on proper ID being left.

I too generally leave my drivers license, but at shops that know me, they don't bother.... even if it is for someone I can vouch for.

Also never been hit up for a "scratch"!

The rental shops are not all bad, it's the few places that scam people who give everyone a bad name.sad.png

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Razzler1973    269

I never experienced Thais being ok with it on places like Koh Pha-Ngan or even Koh Chang and they just seem confident that no one will rent to you so can afford to shrug and let you leave and I have gone around everyone and had no luck and ended up handing my passport over.

I mean, I am aware of the 'dangers' and I do wonder if a lot of places just ask for it as it's the thing everyone does, they don't even think about whether they need it or they should have it or anything

If you cant find someone of reputable character to hire you a bike without passport, perhaps consider not hiring after all.

My take on it is that they are holding which is something valuable to you hence a good bartering/blackmail tool however you like to look at it, and why put yourself in that situation.

I like having a bike though and you'd think if no one is handing over their passport then no one is renting which means they'd soon change their ways but they're clearly not :/

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Razzler1973    269

This is a tough one, a friend who rents out bikes, trusted everyone and never took a passport ....

But after one bike totally gone missing, for over a year now and two missing , but found, at ferry terminal,crying.gif ....... he now insists on proper ID being left.

I too generally leave my drivers license, but at shops that know me, they don't bother.... even if it is for someone I can vouch for.

Also never been hit up for a "scratch"!

The rental shops are not all bad, it's the few places that scam people who give everyone a bad name.sad.png

I think if I did something wrong I'd definitely pay, don't get me wrong and I can understand there's an element of risk on their part too.

I have never been hit up for a scratch either but apparently it happens. I am not a mental driver or anything so have never caused any hassle but you don't want someone inventing a scratch, I do check the bikes, etc so you'd think 'well, you shouldn't have an issue then' and I don't but you do get people that would rather chop off their leg than give a passport and I can understand that, I am never entirely comfortable with it.

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sweeneytodds    10

We at sweeney todd,s, if we dont know you, then we ask for passport, only the original not copy.

I know a lot of people do not like leaving it.

When i went to phuket last year, i had to leave passport with thai guy, that didnt have a real shop, just a booth. i wasnt happy doing it but i did.

The problem we are faced with is, if you rent of me and just leave a copy, then if you have an accident, theres nothing stopping you getting out of samui, and leaving all the damage to us to sort out.

A thai drivers license is no good to us, you can always say you lost it and get a new one, and you can still do the above.

I did rent a bike to a new resident here in samui, who is a regular poster, and i only took a copy of his passport, but i made sure i saw him regular.

Theres also very little check if you want to take the bike of samui.

We do get many people walk away and go somewhere else.

I would also like to say all our bikes are insured for damage to another vehicle.

I know for sure 2 thai rental shops have not got this insurance, but hey they dont ask for passport either, even there cars are not insured.

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edwinclapham    499

We at sweeney todd,s, if we dont know you, then we ask for passport, only the original not copy.

I know a lot of people do not like leaving it.

When i went to phuket last year, i had to leave passport with thai guy, that didnt have a real shop, just a booth. i wasnt happy doing it but i did.

The problem we are faced with is, if you rent of me and just leave a copy, then if you have an accident, theres nothing stopping you getting out of samui, and leaving all the damage to us to sort out.

A thai drivers license is no good to us, you can always say you lost it and get a new one, and you can still do the above.

I did rent a bike to a new resident here in samui, who is a regular poster, and i only took a copy of his passport, but i made sure i saw him regular.

Theres also very little check if you want to take the bike of samui.

We do get many people walk away and go somewhere else.

I would also like to say all our bikes are insured for damage to another vehicle.

I know for sure 2 thai rental shops have not got this insurance, but hey they dont ask for passport either, even there cars are not insured.

I do understand, but certainly British citizens (and I would imagine most western countries) are warned not to give out their passport to anyone.

I hire a bike or a car abroad, a credit card is sufficient, and if accidents occur then monies are taken from the CC.

In my opinion one would have to be off your rocker to leave one of your most precious commodities with persons unknown overseas... if you are a professional outfit then you either arrange a bond or a credit card advance in case of damage.

Carrying Your Passport: It is required by Thai law that Thai citizens AND all visitorsMUST carry proper identification at all times. This must be presented upon demand by a Police Officer or other legitimate Government Official.

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Razzler1973    269

People make out it's some evil Thai trick but even Western renters are doing it. I don't really have a problem with it providing if I do something wrong I don't get skanked.

On Koh Chang I like to rent a bike 4 or 5 days. Obviously that's a fair time so they want the passport. However, I am staying at their place so where the hell am I gonna go?

Another time I got it from Koh Pha-Ngan at the place I was. As I was going along I was convinced some little stone flicked up and hit the wing mirror and all these thoughts ran through my head that they're gonna hit me up ... didn't say a word (not that they should and I would be happy to replace a mirror no matter how harsh it happend)

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