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Pajero Sport - New Tires /Wheels, Recommendations?

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You never mentioned what model PJS you have. My PJS 3.2Lt GT got 80,000 from the origional Bridgestones on the 17 inch standard wheels and i drive at any average speed of about 120 Ks. I thought about putting Bigger Diameter wheels etc on the car but after a lot of research i decided to stick with the standard 17 in wheels and fitted Michilin Latitude Cross Tyres which are Manufactured in Poland, Not Thailand. These have now done 20,000 Ks and are fantastic. The Wet Weather Grip is so good that i rarely have to go to 4 Wheel Drive where as with the Bridgestones i would engage 4 WD in even the lightest rain and the Michilins out handle them in 2 WD. I Compare these tyres to the Michilins of the early 1970's. If you drove on Michilin X tyres which had a very high milage factor but where Not good in the Wet and then Bought the then New Michelin XAS the transformation was unbelievable on both Dry and Wet Conditions. These Latitude Cross are exactely the same, In fact the tread pattern even reminds me of the XAS which i actually Raced on in Touring Cars in Oz before Slicks hit the market.. When you look at them on the Michilin Site or at a dealer which is the way to go you will see what i mean. And don't think that because of the Chunky Tread Pattern that they will be Noisy because they are Not, they are just as quiet as Highway style tread patterns and the wear factor seems to be very good, mine have worn from 1 to 1,5 mm in the first 20,000 K's. The recommended Retail Price from Michelin is 7,690 Baht per tyre so don't be ripped off as in Ubon i was quoted 8,500 Bht but in Mukdahan they actually Discounted them to 7,500 each. So my recommendation is to Save Your Money and Stick to the Standard 17 inch Wheels that the car was designed to run on and Fit these Michilin Latitude Cross Tyres and you will be Super Happy and a Whole Lot Safer.

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Morgandave is spot on, tyre wear is largely down to the hardness of the rubber compound. However most of the lower profile tyres available to suit bigger diameter wheels tend to be softer compound, higher performance and more expensive. The cheaper longer wearing medium compound tyres are mostly offered in sizes up to 17 inch wheels and 65% profile.

The standard Bridgestone Dueler HT on PJS, Fortuner etc. should last a lot longer than 40,000 km. The Fortuner we have with these tyres currently has done 70,000 km and will do maybe another 10,000km. We have had Michelin and Maxxis tyres running similar distances. I reckon there would need to be an alignment or tyre quality problem or extreme driving to wear a set at 40k.

The 20" Yokohama Parada Spec-X tyres on my PJS seem a little softer compound than the standard Bridgestones but they grip better. They have done 35,000km and I reckon will go to around 60,000 km. I doubt the lower profile will effect wear much but sidewall damage may be a little more likely. The Yokohamas are good if you want more performance but not good if you want low cost.

Very informative....

It's refreshing to hear you're getting somewhat decent tread life from your 20" Paradas.

These are my first uni-directional tires. Did you rotate and align your tires at set kilometer intervals?

Generally traction is a trade off to wear. Softer "rubber" grips better but wears out faster then does hard "rubber".

Also the lower profile tires around town on these roads in this heat will also wear quicker, a previous vehicle i had i only got 16K kms out of a set!! Needless to say the new tires i bought were not as low profile!

In the LOS market, should the informed tire buyer consider a tire's degree of 'softness' and 'hardness' when choosing tires, and if so, what factors should be considered?

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You never mentioned what model PJS you have. My PJS 3.2Lt GT got 80,000 from the origional Bridgestones on the 17 inch standard wheels and i drive at any average speed of about 120 Ks. I thought about putting Bigger Diameter wheels etc on the car but after a lot of research i decided to stick with the standard 17 in wheels and fitted Michilin Latitude Cross Tyres which are Manufactured in Poland, Not Thailand. These have now done 20,000 Ks and are fantastic. The Wet Weather Grip is so good that i rarely have to go to 4 Wheel Drive where as with the Bridgestones i would engage 4 WD in even the lightest rain and the Michilins out handle them in 2 WD. I Compare these tyres to the Michilins of the early 1970's. If you drove on Michilin X tyres which had a very high milage factor but where Not good in the Wet and then Bought the then New Michelin XAS the transformation was unbelievable on both Dry and Wet Conditions. These Latitude Cross are exactely the same, In fact the tread pattern even reminds me of the XAS which i actually Raced on in Touring Cars in Oz before Slicks hit the market.. When you look at them on the Michilin Site or at a dealer which is the way to go you will see what i mean. And don't think that because of the Chunky Tread Pattern that they will be Noisy because they are Not, they are just as quiet as Highway style tread patterns and the wear factor seems to be very good, mine have worn from 1 to 1,5 mm in the first 20,000 K's. The recommended Retail Price from Michelin is 7,690 Baht per tyre so don't be ripped off as in Ubon i was quoted 8,500 Bht but in Mukdahan they actually Discounted them to 7,500 each. So my recommendation is to Save Your Money and Stick to the Standard 17 inch Wheels that the car was designed to run on and Fit these Michilin Latitude Cross Tyres and you will be Super Happy and a Whole Lot Safer.

Thanks. Great post. Its the 2010 2.5L 2wd. 80K on originals???? wow. I drive .... mixed. Dont hoon, sometimes agressive, but never screeching, use gears to help break, try to keep revs moderate ...

If I only got 40k with regular service and keeping an eye on pressure levels, I don't suppose I could make a claim??

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Morgandave is spot on, tyre wear is largely down to the hardness of the rubber compound. However most of the lower profile tyres available to suit bigger diameter wheels tend to be softer compound, higher performance and more expensive. The cheaper longer wearing medium compound tyres are mostly offered in sizes up to 17 inch wheels and 65% profile.

The standard Bridgestone Dueler HT on PJS, Fortuner etc. should last a lot longer than 40,000 km. The Fortuner we have with these tyres currently has done 70,000 km and will do maybe another 10,000km. We have had Michelin and Maxxis tyres running similar distances. I reckon there would need to be an alignment or tyre quality problem or extreme driving to wear a set at 40k.

The 20" Yokohama Parada Spec-X tyres on my PJS seem a little softer compound than the standard Bridgestones but they grip better. They have done 35,000km and I reckon will go to around 60,000 km. I doubt the lower profile will effect wear much but sidewall damage may be a little more likely. The Yokohamas are good if you want more performance but not good if you want low cost.

Thanks Jitar, great info.

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Thailoht, I had my Yokohamas swapped front to rear at 30,000 km. Have not rechecked alignment yet but probably should.

Tyre manufacturer sometime quote indices for tread wear / compound softness but they are not consistent. The easiest crude comparison is the speed rating. Many of the standard light truck tyres like the Bridgestone Dueler HT are S rated. The more performance oriented tyres are rated higher like the V rated Yokohama Parada Spec-X. While either is fine, the higher speed rating usually means a more expensive performance oriented tyre that will wear faster.

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Thailoht, I had my Yokohamas swapped front to rear at 30,000 km. Have not rechecked alignment yet but probably should.

Tyre manufacturer sometime quote indices for tread wear / compound softness but they are not consistent. The easiest crude comparison is the speed rating. Many of the standard light truck tyres like the Bridgestone Dueler HT are S rated. The more performance oriented tyres are rated higher like the V rated Yokohama Parada Spec-X. While either is fine, the higher speed rating usually means a more expensive performance oriented tyre that will wear faster.

Very good.

At what air pressure do you keep your Paradas? What is the mfg recommended air pressure for your OEM tires (as posted on a plate inside your lower door pillar)? If these two air pressures aren't the same, what is your thinking for the difference?

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Normally I use 30 psi front / 32 psi rear.

Mitsu recommend (29 Front, 32 - 36 psi Rear) for the standard 265/70x16 or 265/65x17 tyres.

In theory the higher load rating of the Yokohamas could allow a slightly lower pressure but I like the balance between steering precision and ride at the above.

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Normally I use 30 psi front / 32 psi rear.

Mitsu recommend (29 Front, 32 - 36 psi Rear) for the standard 265/70x16 or 265/65x17 tyres.

In theory the higher load rating of the Yokohamas could allow a slightly lower pressure but I like the balance between steering precision and ride at the above.

i have maxxis 265/50x20 on mine. the shop guy put it at 35 and 40.

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Interesting all the different tire pressures, i have 265/40/22 and have 32-34psi all round.

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As for me, the dealership pumped it at 32/front 35/back, upon receipt. That makes for a taunt ride (feel every "big" bump), but I don't mind as it gives better gas efficiency.

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As for me, the dealership pumped it at 32/front 35/back, upon receipt. That makes for a taunt ride (feel every "big" bump), but I don't mind as it gives better gas efficiency.

But, tyres wear out quicker if wrong advised pressure. sad.png

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Here's some pics, hopefully. The first one should show an example of the 'flakey' bit. Third one down should show where tread is worn to the 'bridge'.

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To be honest the tyre looks perfect to me. thumbsup.gif

Same here, I reckon atleast another 10k in those.

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Here's some pics, hopefully. The first one should show an example of the 'flakey' bit. Third one down should show where tread is worn to the 'bridge'.

To be honest the tyre looks perfect to me. thumbsup.gif

To be honest the tyre looks perfect to me. thumbsup.gif

Same here, I reckon at least another 10k in those.

Is it me (and SoloFlyer) or what?!! It seems that the groove where the key is inserted is visibly shallower (worn down) more so than the grooves on the other side of the tire. Bad alignment, tie rod, etc.?

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Were it my money, from what I can see of the tires, and assuming what you’ve shown is the worst of it I would move the front back, have the tires all balanced and get an alignment. You do have a good spare, correct?

In the photos, the tread is not worn down to the wear bars. When the tire is down to the minimum tread depth recommended by the manufacturer, the wear bars will form “bald” spots with the tread. The one picture where the tire is run down on the outer edge, looks like an alignment issue. The “flaking” looks to me like you ran over something. New tires or old, running over crap in the road often results in being stuck on the side of the road, sometimes damaging tires beyond repair.

If you have plenty of money and would just like to have new tires, or if you would feel safer and more confident with new tires, than by all means, buy new tires. But remember, the guy at the tire shop makes a living by selling tires, not giving free advice to motorists on how to save money.

When I shop tires I don’t get too caught up worrying about a small price difference. I look for a good shop with competent people and first class equipment close to home and go with it.

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No Claim with Bridgestone but Michilin have a 6 year warranty which nis filled in by the dealer and you are given a copy. If your 2 WD PJS has 16 in wheels why dont you check around and see if you can get a set of the 17in standard wheels, i'm sure that many tyre dealers will have traded them in when guy want 20in wheel which is only for looks in my opinion. I guarantee you these Michelins stick like shit to a blanket.

You never mentioned what model PJS you have. My PJS 3.2Lt GT got 80,000 from the origional Bridgestones on the 17 inch standard wheels and i drive at any average speed of about 120 Ks. I thought about putting Bigger Diameter wheels etc on the car but after a lot of research i decided to stick with the standard 17 in wheels and fitted Michilin Latitude Cross Tyres which are Manufactured in Poland, Not Thailand. These have now done 20,000 Ks and are fantastic. The Wet Weather Grip is so good that i rarely have to go to 4 Wheel Drive where as with the Bridgestones i would engage 4 WD in even the lightest rain and the Michilins out handle them in 2 WD. I Compare these tyres to the Michilins of the early 1970's. If you drove on Michilin X tyres which had a very high milage factor but where Not good in the Wet and then Bought the then New Michelin XAS the transformation was unbelievable on both Dry and Wet Conditions. These Latitude Cross are exactely the same, In fact the tread pattern even reminds me of the XAS which i actually Raced on in Touring Cars in Oz before Slicks hit the market.. When you look at them on the Michilin Site or at a dealer which is the way to go you will see what i mean. And don't think that because of the Chunky Tread Pattern that they will be Noisy because they are Not, they are just as quiet as Highway style tread patterns and the wear factor seems to be very good, mine have worn from 1 to 1,5 mm in the first 20,000 K's. The recommended Retail Price from Michelin is 7,690 Baht per tyre so don't be ripped off as in Ubon i was quoted 8,500 Bht but in Mukdahan they actually Discounted them to 7,500 each. So my recommendation is to Save Your Money and Stick to the Standard 17 inch Wheels that the car was designed to run on and Fit these Michilin Latitude Cross Tyres and you will be Super Happy and a Whole Lot Safer.

Thanks. Great post. Its the 2010 2.5L 2wd. 80K on originals???? wow. I drive .... mixed. Dont hoon, sometimes agressive, but never screeching, use gears to help break, try to keep revs moderate ...

If I only got 40k with regular service and keeping an eye on pressure levels, I don't suppose I could make a claim??

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SoloFlyer, I'm curious what "original" tyres you have. I don't think you mentioned the type or the pressure you use.

The recent PJS / Fortuner / Vigo all used Bridgestone Dueler HT 384 tyre (I think), but your tyres look different.

The pictures of our Bridgestones after 70,000 km show a more blocky, closer tread with more even wear than yours.

Your tyres tread looks low on the shoulder but better in the centre. This might be from the original design or uneven wear from alignment or low pressure.

Are all 4 tyres the same?

The flaking you mention looks like a cut to me, maybe from rocks or sheet metal. Looks to be some cracking at the base of the tread but that may be aging. How old are the tyres? You can check the DOT code on the sidewall.

I would not rely to much on the service mechanic for tyre advice. A Decent tyre shop should be able to do an alignment and tell you if it is out etc.

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Thanks for all this great input guys, really, really appreciate it as I'm no expert.

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Thailot: Yeah, thats my concern. I know the middle of the tire looks fine, but that outer/inner ring looks low. I would have thought alignment would be checked at the 10k services??

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