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Deet Did Not Kill Canadian Sisters Audrey And Noemi Belanger: Krabi

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To all those who keep repeating the claim (now actually questioned anyway) that the parents expressed the wish that the investigation should come to a halt and no further light shone on it - i'd like to ask you : "If a serial child-abuser is running around hurting kids in your community, and you have young children yourself, would you be delighted if the parents of prior victims asked the police to stop investigating, and they did ?" Not likely. Which points to the principle that whatever the relatives of prior victims say or want, there is an overriding PUBLIC INTEREST which needs respecting and acting upon by law enforcement. Basic legal stuff.

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maidu    1,356

As I suspected all along, and now verified by a poster who seems a lot more credible than Thai authorities (which isn't hard, in itself, to do). Every day, scores of young farang come to Thailand, most of whom for the 1st time, to visit and party. Regardless of how eager Thai authorities are to sweep such tourist-blotching events under the carpet, the public deserve to know what dangers exist.

10 weeks ago I went to Krabi region with two women in their 20's. We considered visiting Phi Phi, but didn't go. You get one guess why.

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fakename    801

Well, for one thing, people dont come to Thailand to kill themselves. Maybe a long time resident, with many problems would do this, but someone on a holiday is very unlikely to commit suicide. Doubt that this was an accident either, so that leaves only one option, and the last people to see the girls alive, needs to be found and questioned.

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pomchop    1,444

Sorry this does only bad on Thailand for those who don't know the whole story. THE PARENTS REQUESTED THE AUTOPCY REPORTS NOT TO BE RELEASED. The Thai police honoured the request by the parents and added that if the family or embassy want to release further info they can. Untill now they haven't released any further info. The ones who are hiding info is the parents and everyone must just let it go. Let the parents grieve their childrens deaths with their image/reputation intact. Why do everyone want to know the truth if the truth will only hurt the family more? Why are people dishonouring the wishes of the family by snooping around and seek publicity? The parents have lost that was most dear to them and the only thing they have left are the memories of their children, why do people want to destroy this?

Very well said. I agree totally. Posters on here, and others, should respect their privacy. Are the lives of TV posters so sad that they have to dig into private issues? Get over it and leave the family alone.

The usual gang of keyboard warriors that sit in front of their computer screen searching for some story that will give them the chance to spew their usual conspiracy theories, thailand is stupid, this would never happen in my country, i know more about thailand than thai people, and i don't care what the family says about no more reports I , the thai visa keyboard warrior, demand more investigations and reports and the hell with the family's wishes.

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Pdiddy    0

Where's Quincy.

Was it overdose by self means, forced upon or by accident.

Poison or assassination

Who knows

Rest in peace

Canada tell us from your autopsy please

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Jobiwankenobi    181

That's no story. They also didn't drown. Who cares what DIDN'T lead to their deaths? The question is...what did. Why print a story that tells nothing at all? That's news? They also weren't attacked by white sharks! What a story!

I agree, no story there.

I also agree that TV members needn't snoop around looking for more. Their parents have requested no more be made public, and there is a good reason for that. They don't want their daughters' images spoiled, so let's respect that.

Why do people jump in and make the same ridiculous statements that were made many days ago and which were PROVEN FALSE .... Go back and read the facts please and then state again ... I am reposting # 118 from the previous thread so you all get this one fact straight ! THE PARENTS MADE NO SUCH REQUEST AND NOR DID THE CANADIAN EMBASSY !

It's all lies from the TRP..... Nor The family nor the Canadian Embassy have requested the investigation to be stopped... on the contrary the father is furious about this and said he will go to all ends to find out the truth.

My friends in Quebec sent me these 3 links of different media reports and they all say the same thing.

http://quebec.huffin..._n_1935286.html

http://www.radio-can...fermeture.shtml This one has a video of their father being interviwed and here again he is denouncing that he never asked for the results or details of the investigation be withheld nor the investigation stopped...!

http://www.lapresse....-ses-filles.php

Here are a few extracts from the last link above.... everything is in French so I will translate just a few important parts.

«C'est ce à quoi je m'attendais. J'ai toujours dit que la conclusion de leur enquête serait une cause inconnue. Ils ont tout fait pour éliminer les preuves avant que l'autopsie soit pratiquée, alors c'était à prévoir», affirme M. Bélanger, en faisant référence au délai qui s'est écoulé entre la découverte des corps de ses filles dans leur chambre d'hôtel et l'autopsie pratiquée en Thaïlande, période suffisante selon lui pour éliminer toute trace de produit toxique dans leur corps."

This is what I expected. I always said that their investigation would be concluded as " Cause Unknown" They did everything to eliminate important proof prior to the autopsy so this result had to be expected., referring to the delay that occured from when the bodies were found in the hotel room to when the autopsy was finally done in Thailand... a period long enough to eliminate all traces of toxic products in their bodies"

«Beaucoup de questions demeurent en suspens et c'est pourquoi l'enquête menée ici par la Sûreté du Québec doit se poursuivre. Deux filles dans la vingtaine qui entrent dans leur chambre d'hôtel en parfaite santé et n'en ressortent pas, pour moi, ce n'est pas une raison inconnue. À peine une semaine après leur décès, nous étions incapables de les identifier. Elles ne s'étaient tout de même pas fait frapper par un train», a dit M. Bélanger au Soleil, ajoutant ne pouvoir commenter davantage pour ne pas nuire à l'enquête, «qui va bien».

Their father also said "Many questions remained unanswered and that is why the investigation here by the Quebec Police must continue. Two girls in their 20's enter their room totally healthy and never come out again to me is not "AN UNKNOWN CAUSE:. Barely 1 week after their death we could not even identify them ! THEY WERE NOT HIT BY A TRAIN ! I will not say more at this point as I do not want to jeapordize the investigation which is progressing very well."

Il nie toutefois avoir demandé aux autorités thaïlandaises de ne révéler aucun détail sur l'affaire, comme l'écrit l'article du quotidien thaïlandais citant le lieutenant-colonel Jongrak Pimthong de la police de Krabi. «Ce n'est pas vrai. Ce n'est pas nous qui avons demandé ça. Au contraire, nous voulons savoir ce qui s'est passé.»

He absolutely denies having asked the Thai authorities to stop the investigation and to not reveal any details. He says "It's not true...! It is certainly not us who have asked this. On the very contrary WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED"

«Nous ne le rencontrerons pas, puisqu'il ne vit pas en Thaïlande, et la famille nous a demandé de ne pas l'interroger», poursuit le lieutenant-colonel Jongrak. «C'est faux, rétorque M. Bélanger. De toute manière, les policiers ici connaissent son identité. Il est polonais et sera probablement rencontré par Interpol.In reference to the man who accompanied them back to the room he said " The police in Thailand said they will not question him as he does not live in Thailand and that we asked them not to question him, THIS IS NOT TRUE...said Mr. Belanger ..Anyway the police here know his identity and he will mostly be interrogated by Interpol"

«Notre vie est brisée à jamais, et chaque retour de cette affaire dans l'actualité nous démolit un peu plus. Qu'elles soient mortes est déjà épouvantable et que nous ne sachions pas la cause de leur décès est encore plus dur, mais je vous assure que nous voulons savoir et nous irons jusqu'au bout.»

Renée Roussel, la coroner québécoise au dossier, ne déposera son rapport final sur l'autopsie pratiquée au Québec que dans plusieurs semaines.

Our life is broken for ever and everyday it kills us a little more. That they are dead is unbearable as it is but to not even know the CAUSE is even harder but I can assure you that we want to and must KNOW and we will go to all ends to find out".... It will still take many weeks to get the final results from the Quebec Autopsy.

Thanks for this crazydrummerpauly, it is much appreciated. Your post should appear directly below the OP. Beauty.

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mancub    665

Sorry this does only bad on Thailand for those who don't know the whole story. THE PARENTS REQUESTED THE AUTOPCY REPORTS NOT TO BE RELEASED. The Thai police honoured the request by the parents and added that if the family or embassy want to release further info they can. Untill now they haven't released any further info. The ones who are hiding info is the parents and everyone must just let it go. Let the parents grieve their childrens deaths with their image/reputation intact. Why do everyone want to know the truth if the truth will only hurt the family more? Why are people dishonouring the wishes of the family by snooping around and seek publicity? The parents have lost that was most dear to them and the only thing they have left are the memories of their children, why do people want to destroy this?

Very well said. I agree totally. Posters on here, and others, should respect their privacy. Are the lives of TV posters so sad that they have to dig into private issues? Get over it and leave the family alone.

The usual gang of keyboard warriors that sit in front of their computer screen searching for some story that will give them the chance to spew their usual conspiracy theories, thailand is stupid, this would never happen in my country, i know more about thailand than thai people, and i don't care what the family says about no more reports I , the thai visa keyboard warrior, demand more investigations and reports and the hell with the family's wishes.

Choosing to live in Thailand ,does not mean that I have to choose to believe everything that the Thai "Authorities" would like me to . Sincerely hope that everyone here will take the time to read Annabel's post to be able to make more balanced opinion .

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dighambara    180

I am pretty sure that we will never know the truth . That's too bad for Thailand image .

It doesn't reflect badly on Thailand's image at all. I bet most people aren't even aware of this. Things like this don't get reported worldwide. I don't see what you think Thailand has done wrong. They investigated the deaths and found that there was no crime. The family want the cause of death kept secret. End of case.

For cases involving death it is typical that Thailand authorities investigate and find no crime.

Man bound and gagged jumps from his hotel balcony = suicide.

In the rare cases that they do find a crime, blame is placed either on the victim or some passerby.

Auto accident - Thai vehicle rams foreigner and foreigner is at fault. This has happened to friends and happened to my wife - motorbike came from the side an rammed her car. Police saw a foreign name and she went before the judge, even with witnesses that it was the motorbike that caused the accident. She paid a significant fine for being the wife of a foreigner.

T.I.T.

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ttelise    432

Pretty comical, sad really, how some on here can be so guidable to take anything Thai authorities say at face value.

Thai authorities have zero shame or integrity.

First they lie about their ability to discuss their findings insinuating at time they know what really happened.

Then they let slip certain ridiculous theories that no intelligent person able to think on their own would accept as true. If you look back, the very first post in DEET being suspected cause, I cited peer review publications noting how much and at what concentrations it would take to for DEET ingestion to cause death. I also cited an article discussing the very few known DEET acute poisoning cases.

Yet, 5 out of 10 posters continued to give accolades to Thai authorities and place blame in victims for being dumb enough to drink DEET trying to cop a buzz or get high.

Even on this thread, some still want to blame the girls and reiterate the misleading information put out by Thai authorities time and time again despite realiable information from sensible individuals being occasionally infused to slow down the Thai rhetoric spin doctor machine.

Even more appalling is those few on here who still make comments to the effect that the girls got what they deserved through trying to get high and to leave the parents alone because are trying to heal and keep from tarnishing the girls' images. Nope, that is what these certain posters are doing by perpetuating inaccurate Thai leaks meant only to save face and insinuating parents desire to conceal truth for some purposes related to embarrassment. The parents are still adamant about discovering the truth.

The TRUTH is imcompentency in preserving tissue samples and preserving the integrity of the crime scene perhaps made this case impossible to solve. To test for certain chemicals, tissue samples must nit only be taken immediately, theymust be properly preserved under very exacting techniques.

Whether this is Thai incompetence, apathy or just another means of Thai cover up is about the only real issue open for debate.

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moskito    97

GOOOOD to learn how they NOT DIED.... and when we will finally learn HOW they died? .....or is it Rocketscience and will be a mistery forever??

It was not the first time two young girls have to die on this island....So its not something we just should forget and go back to business as usual....they all had parents, family and friends....and I am pretty sure they all want to know whats going on here.....

may they rest in peace

PS ....not easy to belive they do - before the scumbags did this or in duty for it, are brought to JUSTICE

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bigbamboo    8,663

This is my first comment on this sad affair. There has been much speculation regarding the handling of the case by the Thai police and the consequent attempts in Canada to find the truth being the girls deaths.

There would seem to be three possible causes.... assuming that the girls died of poisoning. Misadventure (taking something voluntarily which proved fatal), manslaughter (taking something unknowingly with the same results) and murder (deliberate poisoning).

As forensic science on both sides of the Pacific seems unable to establish what agent was responsible the demise of two healthy women almost simultaneously then the only remaining source of information likely to explain the deaths would be the two men who were sighted with the girls during the evening and specifically the one who helped them back to their room.

Of course as he was staying in the same hotel he may have just helped them when he saw they were in distress and may not even have been involved, in which case why is he not more forthcoming?

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annabel    281

This is my first comment on this sad affair. There has been much speculation regarding the handling of the case by the Thai police and the consequent attempts in Canada to find the truth being the girls deaths.

There would seem to be three possible causes.... assuming that the girls died of poisoning. Misadventure (taking something voluntarily which proved fatal), manslaughter (taking something unknowingly with the same results) and murder (deliberate poisoning).

As forensic science on both sides of the Pacific seems unable to establish what agent was responsible the demise of two healthy women almost simultaneously then the only remaining source of information likely to explain the deaths would be the two men who were sighted with the girls during the evening and specifically the one who helped them back to their room.

Of course as he was staying in the same hotel he may have just helped them when he saw they were in distress and may not even have been involved, in which case why is he not more forthcoming?

As most TV members who jump in on a topic I guess you also didn't read my last post on page 4 which said =

"And to add to this here is another statement made by the father in August in "The Soleil de Montreal " http://www.lapresse....24_article_POS2"

«Elles nous en avaient parlé. Ce sont deux jeunes hommes qu'elles ont rencontrés lors d'un tour en montagne au Vietnam et à qui elles ont confié qu'elles se rendaient ensuite sur l'île de Phi Phi en Thaïlande.» Coïncidence, c'est aussi là que se rendaient les deux hommes. Partis avant, ils ont loué une chambre au Palms Residence. «Par Internet, ils ont invité nos filles à les rejoindre dans cet hôtel, très propre. Elles y ont loué la chambre 103 et le groupe a passé la soirée ensemble.»

They e-mailed us almost daily and had spoken to us from Vietnam about the 2 Portuguese guys ... That is were they met the 2 Portuguese men during a mountain tour they were on and to whom they had told that their next destination was Phiphi Island... Coincidence made it that these 2 guys were also going there but left Vietnam for Phiphi a bit earlier and rented a room at Palms Residence.... Through internet communications they invited the 2 sisters to join them at the Palms which they told them was a very decent and clean hotel. And they did and rented room 103 and they spent that evening together"

I HAVE BEEN READING SO MANY CANADIAN NEWSPAPERS ON THIS VERY SAD MISFORTUNE for the past 3 months AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NOWHERE BUT NOWHERE ARE THE PARENTS ASKING FOR DETAILS TO BE WITHHELD... Their grief is so gripping and you would come to tears if you could read French and see what they are saying and asking which is TO KNOW WHY,WHAT and why only their 2 girls ??? So please stop with the non sense of the PARENTS REQUESTED DETAILS TO NOT BE DIVULGED !! IT IS LIES!!!

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cowslip    161

this is quite outrageous - the Thai police now seem to have resorted to outright lies to get the matter out of the public eye.

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moskito    97

This is my first comment on this sad affair. There has been much speculation regarding the handling of the case by the Thai police and the consequent attempts in Canada to find the truth being the girls deaths.

There would seem to be three possible causes.... assuming that the girls died of poisoning. Misadventure (taking something voluntarily which proved fatal), manslaughter (taking something unknowingly with the same results) and murder (deliberate poisoning).

As forensic science on both sides of the Pacific seems unable to establish what agent was responsible the demise of two healthy women almost simultaneously then the only remaining source of information likely to explain the deaths would be the two men who were sighted with the girls during the evening and specifically the one who helped them back to their room.

Of course as he was staying in the same hotel he may have just helped them when he saw they were in distress and may not even have been involved, in which case why is he not more forthcoming?

As most TV members who jump in on a topic I guess you also didn't read my last post on page 4 which said =

"And to add to this here is another statement made by the father in August in "The Soleil de Montreal " http://www.lapresse....24_article_POS2"

«Elles nous en avaient parlé. Ce sont deux jeunes hommes qu'elles ont rencontrés lors d'un tour en montagne au Vietnam et à qui elles ont confié qu'elles se rendaient ensuite sur l'île de Phi Phi en Thaïlande.» Coïncidence, c'est aussi là que se rendaient les deux hommes. Partis avant, ils ont loué une chambre au Palms Residence. «Par Internet, ils ont invité nos filles à les rejoindre dans cet hôtel, très propre. Elles y ont loué la chambre 103 et le groupe a passé la soirée ensemble.»

They e-mailed us almost daily and had spoken to us from Vietnam about the 2 Portuguese guys ... That is were they met the 2 Portuguese men during a mountain tour they were on and to whom they had told that their next destination was Phiphi Island... Coincidence made it that these 2 guys were also going there but left Vietnam for Phiphi a bit earlier and rented a room at Palms Residence.... Through internet communications they invited the 2 sisters to join them at the Palms which they told them was a very decent and clean hotel. And they did and rented room 103 and they spent that evening together"

I HAVE BEEN READING SO MANY CANADIAN NEWSPAPERS ON THIS VERY SAD MISFORTUNE for the past 3 months AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NOWHERE BUT NOWHERE ARE THE PARENTS ASKING FOR DETAILS TO BE WITHHELD... Their grief is so gripping and you would come to tears if you could read French and see what they are saying and asking which is TO KNOW WHY,WHAT and why only their 2 girls ??? So please stop with the non sense of the PARENTS REQUESTED DETAILS TO NOT BE DIVULGED !! IT IS LIES!!!

However, I read a lot about this case and of the other two death young girls on Phe Phe Island.... it is normally business as usual...sooner or later ppl will forget, so they are playing on time.....let us bring this thread here up every couple of month and not forget the poor young girls.....their parents friends and family for sure wont forget and cant find freedom, before the case is solved....

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annabel    281

  • News from Radio- Canada as of Oct 11th .... this is now being covered to the hilts,,,, and the parents are sooo determined to find out the CAUSE... This is a video coverage... part 1 of 3 parts... I am putting the link here for the 1st part only but sorry I am too tired to translate it ....
  • http://www.radio-can...122_01_1200.asx
  • One thing that is said again here is that the 2 portuguese guys were known to them from their encounter in Vietnam and the Quebec media has found them and called them for their comments AND NEITHER OF THEM WANT TO GIVE ANY INFO AT ALL... I honestly don't think they are refusing to give details because of any wrong doings but simply because they are scared... from what I get on the video they seemed like decent guys ... Anyway look at it and if you know someone who speaks French let them translate it ... or I will do it tomorrow...if someone asks me to ...
  • There are 2 annoying commercials at the beginning that you have to get through though !! That's media !!

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