Jump to content
BANGKOK 11 December 2018 22:36
Sign in to follow this  
webfact

Foreign Mafia Running Pattaya

Recommended Posts

Having lived in Pattaya on and off for years, I see little evidence that Russian mafia are starting to controlling the nightlife, most of the bars and gogo's don't even like them as customers.They may be running the Russian tour industry, and may even be supplying girls to that, but that's about it. The only Russian venues on WS have Russian girls working, not Thai

Never heard of the Chocolate Butterfly Bar, neither has Google

Errr ! would these Russian working girls be on some sort of an education visa, and how do they get them ?

easy,....they are "professional" dancers .............aren't they ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No, no, no. CLEARLY shows the ignorance and myopic ethnocentristic views of the newbie writer who either has no clue what he is writing about and is filtering accounts through his preconceived idea of how things "are". CORRECTLY stated, it should read:

"Most prostitutes in Pattaya are not working against her or his will and that the decision to work in the red-light district is typically encouraged by friends and family.

Imagine reading something like this somewhere in Europe, or looking at it at TV. - Millions of girls in Thailand work as bar ladies, on their own free will.. and they like it.

Generally, I noticed.. that people who don't live in Thailand have no idea what 'thai hookers' are all about. The picture that comes to their mind when you mention term 'hooker' is some filthy hidden underground brothel fuc_k knows where, where girls are abused on daily basis and forced to do their job. Or .. Amsterdam. And they come here with this misconception.

If this pretend-to-be-journalist actually explored Thailand bar girl scene he would know what they're all about, instead of writing this crap.. or maybe it's not acceptable for his audience to read the truth.

Not the first and won't be the last. Come in at lunchtime and do a breakfast review.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What about the mysterious "black chocolate bar"? Investment gone wrong for "blacks"? Are they restricted to some area in Bangkok only?

Well, what most of them doing is no secret. Funny, the author picked that one. Apart from the (blood)diamonds, drugs, scams and whatsoever it seems as if the Russians are set to face competition and blackmailing.

This article was probably a setup?

Who is patronizing them anyway?

This is your homework now.

Bit concerned that the Russians are getting angry.

What a mess Thailand has become, and all for the love of money and greed. Now the blacks are brave to run the show for their patrons.

Seems to become the last chapter in history books.

Feel sorry for the honest black people here.

Who was it to invest in diamond mining and other strange stuff?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Pattaya is a disgusting toilet. I honestly have no idea why anyone besides a creepy sex tourist would want to visit there.

What an incredibly narrow minded and ignorant statement. There are many other things to do in the Pattaya area rather than visiting bars and hookers and there are many Expats that are happily married, with families who like living in the area. I know because I am one of them.

I am not allowed to post a link, but try Googling 50 things to do in Pattaya you might just be surprised.

I think Thomas has led a very sheltered life, and probably hails from the Bible Belt.

yea anybody who hates Pattaya must be from the bible belt. LOL. Are you seriously this ignorant? Pattaya is a disgusting sewage pit. Anybody raising children around there needs their head examined

Oh not so fast there laddy, they do have jet skiis you know.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Regardless of how crappy the journalism or inaccurate the details or 'typically American' the attitude, Pattaya is pretty disgusting to anyone who cares about healthy lifestyles and human dignity. How many of you would want your daughters walking its miracle mile every night? Or starring in Thai internet porn? Or grinning from the photos of Thai Visa's 'love link' advertisements? I didn't think so.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Regardless of how crappy the journalism or inaccurate the details or 'typically American' the attitude, Pattaya is pretty disgusting to anyone who cares about healthy lifestyles and human dignity. How many of you would want your daughters walking its miracle mile every night? Or starring in Thai internet porn? Or grinning from the photos of Thai Visa's 'love link' advertisements? I didn't think so.

and have you been to Pattaya?rolleyes.gif

Lets play a game where you name locations which you have visited, the only rule is can not mention soi 6, walking street, or anything up to 3 road.

Game on, lets hear itwhistling.gif

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why always speaking about sex trade and prostitution?

The Russians are buying Pattaya, but not only the sex businesses, but the restaurants, the transportation (Pegasus buses) the massages, the souvenirs etc...

They also buy a LOT of condo and boost the real estate market.

Is this money clean? Well not sure, but Putine has decided to have a serious overlook about taxes and a lot of Russians are investing their hidden money in Thailand to be safe an avoid their new government regulations.

Now the problem with Russians is that they have a Mafia way of thinking. A Russian tour operator will fret a Russian Airline then a Russian bus to drive them in a Russian Hotel, eating in Russian restaurants, and buying souvenirs in a Russian owned shop.

The Thais are making almost no money in that system. The Russians do not even bother to translate the menus in Thais... Pattaya and Phukets are becoming Russian towns, managed in a Russian way.

Thais will not eat this for long... they are taking advantage of Russian money but as soon as it will become a real problem for the local economy, Russians will soon understand why Thailand is the only Asian country in the the Issan region to never been colonized.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My hunch is that the Russians are good earners and making money for the Thais- and are therefore tolerated. Just like the Nigerians that flood lower Sukumvit Road in Bangkok are kicking money up stairs.

Think about it, the Thais allow the Ruskies to operate, take a percentage and everybody is happy. If the Ruskies get out of hand, the Thais come down hard, look good busting the foreigners -suffer no fall out from stepping on Thai mafia toes- and the cycle begins anew.

I really doubt that the Russians are running Pattaya smile.png

Agree, the Russians speakers do not run Pattaya. I would suggest that Russians involved with crime would primarily be amongst their own nationals, same as other Western nationality groups, with kickbacks to RTP when necessary. A lot of money coming in from Russia speakers for development projects, so Pattaya City Council & provincial government would also be involved.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why always speaking about sex trade and prostitution?

The Russians are buying Pattaya, but not only the sex businesses, but the restaurants, the transportation (Pegasus buses) the massages, the souvenirs etc...

They also buy a LOT of condo and boost the real estate market.

Is this money clean? Well not sure, but Putine has decided to have a serious overlook about taxes and a lot of Russians are investing their hidden money in Thailand to be safe an avoid their new government regulations.

Now the problem with Russians is that they have a Mafia way of thinking. A Russian tour operator will fret a Russian Airline then a Russian bus to drive them in a Russian Hotel, eating in Russian restaurants, and buying souvenirs in a Russian owned shop.

The Thais are making almost no money in that system. The Russians do not even bother to translate the menus in Thais... Pattaya and Phukets are becoming Russian towns, managed in a Russian way.

Thais will not eat this for long... they are taking advantage of Russian money but as soon as it will become a real problem for the local economy, Russians will soon understand why Thailand is the only Asian country in the the Issan region to never been colonized.

The Russians are NOT buying Pattaya. People please stop with this nonsense.rolleyes.gif

Just because there are many Russian tourists, it does not mean they are buying everything.

A vast majority of them, come from small towns and do not have enough money to buy a drink.

They come on a package tours.

Very few have money to invest, ,may be 1%-2% of the total numbers who come to visit.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"Russians have taken over some of the legal sex club businesses in Pattaya, and that is of growing concern to Thai authorities." As it should. I have watched the place deteriorate over the last decade. It has become "Westernized" to such an extent that I even see white girls working.

"Adding to the complexity, Friedman said, is the fact that not every prostitute in Pattaya is working against her or his will and that the decision to work in the red-light district is sometimes accepted by friends and family." This certainly doesn't "add to the complexity" because this used to be the normal bar girl story. Sure, many of the girls were pressured into working with farang by family members, but the majority used to do it for this reason:

"In Southeast Asia and Thailand, there's more of an acceptance of it, as long as the money is going back to the family," he said. "If the girl were to basically go into the brothel industry and have the money for herself, then that goes against her karma, that would be negative merit, but if the money is going to support the family, it would be perceived as OK."

The author should really get his information from someone other than a New York taxi driver. My experience is that you never "buy" a girl in Pattaya, although that might have changed due to Western Mafia influences. Girls can typically choose to go with a guy, or not. They also don't have to do "whatever you want." That is what has always made Pattaya such a great place. You could always enjoy the fantasy of a GFE and not feel too dirty. I believe the Western Mafia influence has brought the "dirty" feeling to Pattaya.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My hunch is that the Russians are good earners and making money for the Thais- and are therefore tolerated. Just like the Nigerians that flood lower Sukumvit Road in Bangkok are kicking money up stairs.

Think about it, the Thais allow the Ruskies to operate, take a percentage and everybody is happy. If the Ruskies get out of hand, the Thais come down hard, look good busting the foreigners -suffer no fall out from stepping on Thai mafia toes- and the cycle begins anew.

I really doubt that the Russians are running Pattaya smile.png

Agree, the Russians speakers do not run Pattaya. I would suggest that Russians involved with crime would primarily be amongst their own nationals, same as other Western nationality groups, with kickbacks to RTP when necessary. A lot of money coming in from Russia speakers for development projects, so Pattaya City Council & provincial government would also be involved.

There are no Russian developers, Most developers are Israeli of Russian background.

The Russian gangsters, do not mix with anyone, but run their businesses very privately.

You may have seen them in the shops, or even spoke with them, but would never know, because the REAL gangsters are very well educated, smart and intelligent people, and nothing they do would ever give away their "private" life.

A large number if not most are ex KGB or high ranked military/police. Do you really think they would stand out in the crowd to attract any attention?!

Edited by lemoncake
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

At least you can walk around the area unlike many parts of America's crime rated areas

true ,

the innocent /stupid farlang fodder

will be on his way to issan , in record time.

true love is pang .wai2.gif

Edited by elliss

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It is weird when you walk down the streets of Thailand and half of the restaurant/whatever signs are in Russian. It seems to me Russians have a tendency to do this.. to buy stuff in this manner.

Reason i'm saying this is not only Pattaya, but I've seen couple of other cities and even countries where Russian billboards are everywhere.. like.. Montenegro for example.

It's not like you can see Swiss/French/Whatever billboards.. or ads. Even if the owner of some restaurant might be Swiss, they're still internationally oriented. As opposed to the Russians who are clearly Russia only oriented. They are aware that less then 1 % of people can read cyrilic, and even if they can read the letters, they still don't know Russian words.

Edited by aalek85th

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

Sponsors
×