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Skytrain in Chiang Mai

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Just looking at the routes was wondering if a sky train was put on them how many of the roads have the space to allow them. Would it not make some streets far worse?

I can see no way in he-l that it would imp[rove the traffic at the Super highway where Maya is located. They would need three of them to make a difference.

Bulldoze Maya to make way for a multistorey carpark to serve that end of town, with a/c songteaw to take people further into town....

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Just looking at the routes was wondering if a sky train was put on them how many of the roads have the space to allow them. Would it not make some streets far worse?

I can see no way in he-l that it would imp[rove the traffic at the Super highway where Maya is located. They would need three of them to make a difference.

The map illustrates a project of epic proportions; a much simplified plan will be necessary. For the posters against. Like it or not, CM is the country's second city, and it will grow accordingly. Romantic ideals are great for days gone by, but unfortunately we are in the 21st century. I believe much of the inner city should be traffic free pedestrian walk ways, then there will be room for new transport infrastructure. The amount of traffic cannot be allowed to physically grow much more. A new plan is needed.

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You seem to be thinking like a westerner...

CB

Possibly, but my last post could equally have come from city planners and civil engineers from Singapore, S Korea, Japan, and I am sure many other non western countries.

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You seem to be thinking like a westerner...

CB

Possibly, but my last post could equally have come from city planners and civil engineers from Singapore, S Korea, Japan, and I am sure many other non western countries.

Yes, and look how sterile and uninteresting Singapore has become! A poor analogy I'm afraid.

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You seem to be thinking like a westerner...

CB

Possibly, but my last post could equally have come from city planners and civil engineers from Singapore, S Korea, Japan, and I am sure many other non western countries.

Yes, and look how sterile and uninteresting Singapore has become! A poor analogy I'm afraid.

It's clean and safe, easy to maintain, has rubbish bins every 15 metres, has full wheel chair access for the disabled, cheap well maintained taxis. Yes at a price of course, but at least the tax payers money isn't being pilfered so much there.

Anyway, Thailand will never be a Singapore, they don't have the discipline nor the drive for it. Hammock under a coconut tree is as far as they want to go...But with 3/4G and iPhones..

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They could build a tram system like Sheffield, UK

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They run on city roads & there are also dedicated tracks.

CM traffic would have to be more disciplined & motorbikes might slip on wet rails, but hopefully people would use the comfortable aircon trams rather than scooters.

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They could build a tram system like Sheffield, UK

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They run on city roads & there are also dedicated tracks.

CM traffic would have to be more disciplined & motorbikes might slip on wet rails, but hopefully people would use the comfortable aircon trams rather than scooters.

The chaos this would cause would be mind dumbing.

You would have to completely ban motorised transport anywhere near these trams.

Melbourne and San Francisco yes, Chiang Mai, not in a million years.

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Just looking at the routes was wondering if a sky train was put on them how many of the roads have the space to allow them. Would it not make some streets far worse?

I can see no way in he-l that it would imp[rove the traffic at the Super highway where Maya is located. They would need three of them to make a difference.

Bulldoze Maya to make way for a multistorey carpark to serve that end of town, with a/c songteaw to take people further into town....

To the Promenada.

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There are two kinds of people on the Planet Thailand....the Dreamer's and the Doer's. Sadly the 'Planners' in this country come mostly from the first group who can see it all in their minds eyes and love to create drawings, maps and video images of how things are going to be. Meanwhile the Doer's are busy stealing huge amounts of dosh and have no time for the Dreamer's ambitions, especially if none of the dreams are centered on Bangkok, the center of the Universe, and will provide ample top ups to life at the trough.

In ten years time come back and ask where the High Speed Train Station is, the Skytrain Terminal is and the Cable Car to Pai Station is. You will get the same response you will get today.....people laughing at you !

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Possibly, but my last post could equally have come from city planners and civil engineers from Singapore, S Korea, Japan, and I am sure many other non western countries.

Yes, and look how sterile and uninteresting Singapore has become! A poor analogy I'm afraid.

It's clean and safe, easy to maintain, has rubbish bins every 15 metres, has full wheel chair access for the disabled, cheap well maintained taxis. Yes at a price of course, but at least the tax payers money isn't being pilfered so much there.

Anyway, Thailand will never be a Singapore, they don't have the discipline nor the drive for it. Hammock under a coconut tree is as far as they want to go...But with 3/4G and iPhones..

am I missing some thing here?

cheap well maintained taxis. Yes at a price of course,

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There are two kinds of people on the Planet Thailand....the Dreamer's and the Doer's. Sadly the 'Planners' in this country come mostly from the first group who can see it all in their minds eyes and love to create drawings, maps and video images of how things are going to be. Meanwhile the Doer's are busy stealing huge amounts of dosh and have no time for the Dreamer's ambitions, especially if none of the dreams are centered on Bangkok, the center of the Universe, and will provide ample top ups to life at the trough.

In ten years time come back and ask where the High Speed Train Station is, the Skytrain Terminal is and the Cable Car to Pai Station is. You will get the same response you will get today.....people laughing at you !

Let's face it a decent traffic system no matter what one would come up with would involve the destruction of many buildings. I think I am understating the many. It would require room and lots of it.

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In my definition of westerner I include industrial counties of the world and thus the five tigers of Asia...it's a way of thinking not geography...

Urban planning is non-existent here as in other third world countries so westerners who move here that is not a priority or high value to them..

Will CM look like Bkk down the road? Probably

not but the same mindset exists in both places so one will continue to see development unabated..

One can debate the pros and cons of unregulated or poorly regulated environments it this is not the

platform to delve into this important subject...

As to Singapore it is an aberration as a country..it gets high marks in sustainable dev practices but should only be compared to like environments i.e. Dubai Las Vegas etc....

CB

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CM city planners / authorities should be embarrassed. The Rin Kham (Maya) intersection is a nightmare. They are probably being quiet, but Is anybody aware of any logical explanation the city gives for not demanding left turn lanes be constructed on all 4 corners of the Rim Kham (Maya) intersection (only one corner already has it)?

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I was in ChiangMai in 2008 and traffic was bad then.I can only imagine how it is now.They need to do something.

I was in bangkok in 1991 and the traffic was appalling then. It's still appalling now despite all those skytrains and railways and expressways and all manner of overhead transport ways that have since been built. Bangkok is now a two storey city.

The point is that a city grows according to its infrastructure, or the infrastructure fastforwards a city's growth, depends on the state and development of the infrastructure. Build a skytrain in chiang mai and then what next? You open the pandora's box. If people don't like the traffic go to a quieter town. But buidling new roads and so on does not alleviate traffic, it just creates room for more, like in the Bangkok example.

Do we want a northern Bangkok, or do we want to try and keep Chiang Mai recognisable from its past? The clever way forward is to limit growth while making what growth does occur intelligent growth. Skytrains from the airport to the convention centre would only be for short-term visitors, and not for the benefit of the locals. The locals though would be inconvenienced for years during the building of a skytrain. Bloody madness. I hope for CM's sake it never gets off the ground.

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