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Just looking at the routes was wondering if a sky train was put on them how many of the roads have the space to allow them. Would it not make some streets far worse?

I can see no way in he-l that it would imp[rove the traffic at the Super highway where Maya is located. They would need three of them to make a difference.

The map illustrates a project of epic proportions; a much simplified plan will be necessary. For the posters against. Like it or not, CM is the country's second city, and it will grow accordingly. Romantic ideals are great for days gone by, but unfortunately we are in the 21st century. I believe much of the inner city should be traffic free pedestrian walk ways, then there will be room for new transport infrastructure. The amount of traffic cannot be allowed to physically grow much more. A new plan is needed.

Yes it can be allowed to grow more. At whatever point locals and others who live here find the traffic too much, they will migrate to other places to live. Many will do that if CM gets developed with skytrains and so on. But who wants another two storey city like Bangkok?

And that old chestnut, 'it's the 21st century' can be seen from two viewpoints. My viewpoint suggests that yes, we're no longer in the madcap develop the infrastructure and see-what-happens 20th century, we're now in the 21st so lets be intelligent about growth and how it should proceed. 21st century does not have to mean western style mega-malls all over the place (which of course creates huge traffic jams) with poisonous western fast food joints and running up mega western household debts.

Proper city plannning will in the 21st century will focus on things other than shopping and traffic congestion. The people want healthy things to do in their free time, they want sports and dance and music and arts and all those other things. Mega concrete jungles do not effect positive feelings in the heart and soul, all they do is create consumer monsters.

It's not romance, it's just intelligent debate about the way forward, rather than just leaving it to city planners who will make a personal fortune for building concrete jungles, and bequeath the rest of us an ugliness that is very much not the 21st century way. It's the past, not the future. Let's have a beautiful future, not more of the 20th century madness.

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Cable cars are the way forward - small footprint and cheap to run, also transporters as used in Star Trek - they can be also used to transport songteaw drivers to another planet where they can get on someone else's tits

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I have lived here in Chiang Mai for 37 years, and for most of that the city has been talking about some Mass transit scheme, so I know give my suggestion, within the old city and out to the airport and the zoo they should have a trolley system, the cables are under the ground and run constantly and the trolley has a grabber to hook on to the cable that travels at about 30KM an hour, you only need brakes as when the are engaged you are unhooked from the below ground cable. The would at least leave the inner city with a little charm as it has lost most of that over the last 20 years. Should have been done 20 years ago but that's how it is here, sadly we won't get any public transportation until traffic is so bad it will take an hour to get from the airport to Kad suan Kaew

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What would be the point of installing a sky train system or any other new forms of major public transport systems in Chiang Mai? Who would actually use it?

At present and what has sufficed for many years, the Songthaews, tuk tuks, bus transports and the more recent additions of meter taxis have been more than adequate and consider that any additional means of public transport for Chiang Mai would not only be a total waste of time but could never be cost affective, it would not pay for itself, especially in the outer provinces of Chiang Mai.

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Cable cars are the way forward - small footprint and cheap to run, also transporters as used in Star Trek - they can be also used to transport songteaw drivers to another planet where they can get on someone else's tits

I thought songteaw drivers (and tuk tuk drivers) were on another planet. They certainly don't drive on planet earth!
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CM city planners / authorities should be embarrassed. The Rin Kham (Maya) intersection is a nightmare. They are probably being quiet, but Is anybody aware of any logical explanation the city gives for not demanding left turn lanes be constructed on all 4 corners of the Rim Kham (Maya) intersection (only one corner already has it)?

What makes the Rin Kham (Maya) intersection even worst, is the intersection was never designed for pedestrians. I see tourists trying to figure out how to cross this intersection without getting run over all the time. I have lived here for over six years, and have had couple of close calls at this intersection myself. Sometimes, I feel like the Thai drivers are trying to run me over, lol.

If the CM city planners were ever hung for being city planners, they would die innocent people. OMG!!

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The city needs professional town-planning, and a decision has to be made if it's a city for vehicles, free for all parking of motor bikes and smoking song teows, or for people.

Large parking complexes needs to built on the outskirts of the city, and an efficient rail system taking people to their work or shops around the city.

gosh..another pig has just flown past my windowsmile.png

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The city needs professional town-planning, and a decision has to be made if it's a city for vehicles, free for all parking of motor bikes and smoking song teows, or for people.

Large parking complexes needs to built on the outskirts of the city, and an efficient rail system taking people to their work or shops around the city.

gosh..another pig has just flown past my windowsmile.png

The sky is full of 'em just now! oink!

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I have a map of Solomons temple too, doesn't mean it's going to be rebuilt anytime soon.

I saw the map and read the article. First, they are talking about street running mass transit therefore it cannot be called 'Monorail' as Monorail entails having the transit vehicle straddling a single guideway beam-well above the street- Disney Monorail is the first and best example of a Monorail.

Street running transit could be either a rapid bus system with its own right-of-way or a Light Rail System running in either mixed traffic or exclusive right-of-way. Running speeds could be improved by giving signal priority to the buses or Light Rail trains. This usually requires a central traffic command to control the traffic lights.

In terms of cost, street running or 'at grade' can be cheapest, with the elevated trains running above costs in the middle and the underground or subway option being the costliest; however in many developed urban areas going underground might be the only option available. While metropolitan areas urbanize and grow outward, ensuring the space or the right-of-way for public transportation makes it easier and cheaper to comeback and build a transit system at a later date; this requires planning and forethought from the public/government authorities, which a majority of them fail to do. Almost of a third of the cost of building a transit system is in relocating underground utilities, hence preserving a 'clean' right-of-way clear of utilities is the best way to build a future transit system. Even street running Light Rail Systems have the problem of stray currents corroding utilities nearby.

I would add two street running 'historic trolley' type loops crossing each other in the Old City though; these could be one-way loops. Doing this would make the master plan 'whole' as this will allow people to access the regional system encircling the moat. There are newer technologies allowing 'induction' type vehicles that draw power from the street under the vehicle, they are safe for pedestrians to cross; this way the 'historic trolleys' would not require unsightly overhead wires to power the trolleys.

Of course, the obvious questions would be what about the Tuk Tuk and Songthaew drivers? My thought is that they could act as feeders to the transit system as well as undertake trips that are not convenient to take on the transit network. I also think that the new transit system will generate many new jobs. Generally different transportation modes rearrange themselves after a major transit project is implemented. The alternative to not doing anything is to endure inevitable traffic congestion and delays as well as worsening urban environment as well as quality of life.

Another thing to keep in mind are the rapid technological advances made in the world today, surely they will bring totally new ways of getting people from one place to another, but retrofitting such new technologies in older cities will present a whole new set of problems; in the meanwhile working with older proven technologies might be a prudent way to plan and hope that better solutions will emerge in the process. Let’s keep the discussion going and hope that someday we can hop on board the Chiang Mai Skytrain!

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It appears the Chiang Mai, city planners, are continuing to sit on their hands, and are doing nothing to implement some type of mass transportation system in CM. I think a subway system should be considered. It would have minimal impact on the current roads and streets. During my last visit to Tokyo, I saw less traffic in that city than they have in CM. The Japanese have an incredible subway, train, and buss, transportation system. Just a thought :-)

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A San Fransisco style cable car to the top of Doi Suthep would be nice.

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Would be nice to have them in the Old City too!

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I would love to have such a thing here and would use it daily until around 7pm or so. The traffic around the inner city in the day time is ridiculous.

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