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British tourist kills police in crash

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The article states the air bags deployed,,, with modern cars, (esp a MB I'd guess),,,, it's as simple as plugging it into a dealers service computer, and the CAR'S computer, will tell you exactly the speed at impact, the angle of the impact,, were the brakes being applied, how strongly, etc, etc,,, BUT,,, will anyone investigating this bother to see that through?...

Nonsense, car's computers are not "black boxes", their purpose is to control the operation of the vehicle not provide accident related information.

Buuullsheet.,,, They can,, and DO record nearly everything of relavance.. for EXACTLY this type of situation,,,, 1 for vehicle improvements,, and 2 for safety,,,,, You think MB wants this guy to get a lawyer to claim the car accelerator stuck, and the brakes failed?.... I know this for FACT,,, as I've had it happen to me in a prior accident, involving an older American car,,, My ex got into a semi-serious front end collision,,, I thought, the air bags, SHOULD have deployed... but none did,,, I asked the service department,, "WHY NOT?",,,, they plugged it in,,, pulled up the info at the time of the crash,,,, showed me on the screen,,, Speed, angle of the hit, she was on the brakes, etc, etc,,,, They explained,, that the reading were just shy of the setting parameters for the bag to deploy,,, so they didn't,, Had she been going maybe 5 MPH faster?,,,, ya,, HERS would've,,,, WHY do I say,, "HERS"??,,, because even THEN,, they were at the point where not only are there sensors in the seats to detect wether someone's sitting there... BUT can also detect wether it's a full-sized adult, of 200 lbs.... or a 10 yr old child, of 60 lbs,, THEREFORE,,, the airbag will deploy FULL strength in the case of an adult,, or partial strength in the case of a lighter,, child,,,, So YA,,,, they DO much more than just, "run the car",,,,, But again,,, there's NO convincing the much more, "educated" TVF keyboard experts,,,,, Get your facts STRAIGHT,,, before stating BS,, as IF they are facts,,,, IF this guy was in the, "right",, not drunk,, not speeding, and truly just couldn't stop,,,, The info stored in the ECM would be the FIRST thing I'd want my lawyer to get ahold of,, as proof, beyond the BIB stating, "facts",,,,, if however he was speeding, failed to brake at all?,,,, it's the LAST thing I'd want the prosecutor to have,,,

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STRAY.

No, never missed your like but when I read your post I was of two minds, so please accept my apology for the misunderstanding.

Si Thea

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I agree with eeze. I am often put off by what I read here. So many people so often jump to prejudicial assumptions. Agains, who said the fancy car was rented? Who said the driver was drunk? Almost all police I see are on 250cc Thai made motorcycles, Sorry but I forget the brand. This cop was on a Yamaha 300cc, a mighty nice bike I think. What assumptions should we jump to about that. It said the policeman made a sudden U turn. That is information, not an assumption. Sure the farang was speeding but people do that at 2 am. If the policeman behaved without showing proper care - like looking both ways - maybe this really was truly an accident.

Some moderators ought to speak up about all this crazy talk by self proclaimed old timers here who have nothing better to do but be negative al the time. That gets very boring quickly.

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just hit a dog with your cat at 90 km/h , and you ll see the face of car . you speak about something that you don't know . it's crazy .... are you all experts of what ??? and even if he was driving to quick , is that a reason to be guilty of murder ? the title say : - a brit killed a motorbike policeman driver .... KILLED ???? beter say : a motorbike policeman driver die after accident with a car . a why say that the driver is brit ??? how many expats or tourist die after accident with thai-drivers ( drunked , who takes jaba , who fall asleep , who drive crazy ) ? anyway , the brit will be guilty just cause he's farang so everybody will be happy , even you the expats . you disgusting me .

I see that you are disappointed with many of the comments made on here, so I should tell you firstly, that I've had 30 years service in law enforcement, with the last 20 as a Crash Investigator. I hope that's sufficient for me to comment on a few aspects that you have brought up? During this time I completed numerous courses required to become a certified Crash Investigator and have investigated numerous fatal motor vehicle crashes, staged accidents and serious (catastrophic) incidents.

Firstly, there are so many factors involved in investigating such matters, that I would be here all day typing. So I'll try to keep it short. One aspect that I agree with you on and conclude from the posts that many are relying on newspaper articles as a source for their comments and subsequent conclusions. Not a very wise thing to do.

You then mention speed and murder, all in the one sentence. Of course this does not relate to murder; murder in an intentional act of killing a person and although he may have been speeding, it would be most unlikely that this was his intention. There is however, a charge of manslaughter, which, once all the facts are known, could well be brought against the driver of the car. Whatever the outcome, I certainly would not like to be in his shoes.

When viewing the damage, as depicted by the photograph, one can safely say the car was being driven at a high speed, (unknown) and that impact occurred, initially on the left (nearside) of the vehicle and then worsens as it progresses backwards and rises upward toward the offside of the car. This is a good indication that impact occurred at speed, (unknown) when the cyclist was at an angle to the vehicle.

This could cause the front of the cycle to be propelled away whilst the rest of the bike continued backwards and upwards into the vehicle, with the body possibly impacting and shattering the windscreen. It also gives the impression that there was little, if any, braking at the time of initial impact. However, if there were there skid marks, then these, when combined with a number of other factors, would provide evidence as to the vehicle's speed at the time of impact.

The press release contains a version provided by the driver of the car, however, this can be neither accepted or rejected until all the evidence has been gathered which would then allow investigators to reach a conclusion, one way or another. At this time it sure beats me how anyone can conclude who is at fault or what their fate should be. Not only does it appear many are super sleuths but also want to be the judge, jury and executioner

Let's not forget the need for medicals, scene investigation, witnesses, reconstruction if needed and the numerous other factors that need to be carried out before any finding can be reached. In so far as your not liking the use of the word "Killed", nothing wrong with that as it relates to the death of a person, animal or other living thing. As for the rest, have no idea what you're on about so I'll leave it it at that.

I'm taking you up on this one - Mr. Expert. Why? I just recently retired as a Senior Vehicle Manager/Launch Manager. I've worked for Jag, Ford, Benz, BM, you name it... and you're talking out of your backside.

Crash and impact is a particular expertise of mine... so meet your maker on this one!

That car, as shown (who knows if it is the real car after the event) was not impacted by a bike at high speed, nor did it impact one do create so much unilateral damage to the car.

Watch a Benz against a fixed barrier ( a fixed block of concrete... unable to move) and you see the impact results against the car) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mxj2aj_X4s

That crash is at 35K/ph into a fixed wall barrier - it won't move. The car has to take the impact and bounce off it. That is akin to nothing like a car bullet at 90K/ph hitting a moving object - the object will fly, despite there being an equal and opposite force - there is no equal force in mass!

A car at 90K/ph would throw the bike and suffer little damage - maybe a slightly impacted bonnet, a broken light on one side, impacted bonnet with large damage, but even if it dragged the bike under the car would in no way sustain too much damage as displayed (again, I relate back to and wonder if the picture is true - but seeing as that's what you're going on.. let's play with that).

The passenger of the bike would, for sure, hit the screen, but there is no way a non-stationary moving object would cause that much damage to the front end. Torsion and impact bars are not even crumpled nor twisted at all - A-pillars are intact, as usually expected, but there is too much damage to both sides of the front-end to warrant a single impact, unless with a stationary and fixed object hit more than one time, and that does not happen with impacting either a bike or a pedestrian.

I COULD go on... but await your wise reply. ;)

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The article states the air bags deployed,,, with modern cars, (esp a MB I'd guess),,,, it's as simple as plugging it into a dealers service computer, and the CAR'S computer, will tell you exactly the speed at impact, the angle of the impact,, were the brakes being applied, how strongly, etc, etc,,, BUT,,, will anyone investigating this bother to see that through?...

Nonsense, car's computers are not "black boxes", their purpose is to control the operation of the vehicle not provide accident related information.

Another ignorant.. Yes they are like black boxes - Especially in the new Mercedes.

No they are not. If they were able to provide that kind of information there would never be any doubt about the circumstances of any accident and that isn't the case.

Hahaha,,,,, Of course,, you've got extensive background in current automotive tech,, to validate this claim?,,,, (other than the local Chang swillers),,,, Google is your friend,,,, That's of course if you understand how to USE Google,,,, JUST when you think you've seen/heard from ALL the resident, "experts",,, several others chime in,,,,, jeeez

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Crazy Brit. You don't visit a foreign country, rent a car, and drive with reckless abandon. You don't know the roads and you are a guest.

I hope they lock up Mr. Benjamin in a Thai prison cell for a few years and not just let him go back to the island after paying off the officer's family.

My condolences to Police Lance Corporal Wiroon's family and friends. Terrible that this happens at the end of the Songkran holiday.

heres the first one talking out his exhaust port, jeeze this forum is full of idiots. lets all visit a foreign country and have someone walk in front of us waving a red flag then, just in case a local moron decides to do a stupid manouver in front of us cos of course, thais NEVER misjudge an approaching vehicles speed, thats why theres NEVER any accidents at U turns.

that must be why they flash their lights at U turns......its morse code to indicate the speed of the moving vehicle yeah?

btw. i rented a focus 3 weeks ago and drove from ban chang to chiang rai in 12 hours, in the dark and pouring rain........OOOOHHHHH lock me up!

....dick.

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Probably a friend of jamesjohn.

Luckily due to the chest injuries... he could not attempt his running away from a 'Thai mob'.

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OK The guy was speeding BUT it was the Policeman who cut in front of him!

So, Policemans fault.

That's how the law works in oz or at least it did for me. I was caught behind traffic through an intersection. Speeding driver hit me on the left. I was at fault for blocking the intersection.

My argument, if he wasn't speeding he wouldn't of hit me, there argument if you weren't blocking traffic you wouldn't of been hit.

I guess my was the greater infringement.

Don't know how the rule is applied here though,

Cheers.

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Nonsense, car's computers are not "black boxes", their purpose is to control the operation of the vehicle not provide accident related information.

Another ignorant.. Yes they are like black boxes - Especially in the new Mercedes.

No they are not. If they were able to provide that kind of information there would never be any doubt about the circumstances of any accident and that isn't the case.

Hahaha,,,,, Of course,, you've got extensive background in current automotive tech,, to validate this claim?,,,, (other than the local Chang swillers),,,, Google is your friend,,,, That's of course if you understand how to USE Google,,,, JUST when you think you've seen/heard from ALL the resident, "experts",,, several others chime in,,,,, jeeez

Well I have. There is nothing like a black-box in a car, any car, as yet in production. FAIL.

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OK The guy was speeding BUT it was the Policeman who cut in front of him!

So, Policemans fault.

That's how the law works in oz or at least it did for me. I was caught behind traffic through an intersection. Speeding driver hit me on the left. I was at fault for blocking the intersection.

My argument, if he wasn't speeding he wouldn't of hit me, there argument if you weren't blocking traffic you wouldn't of been hit.

I guess my was the greater infringement.

Don't know how the rule is applied here though,

Cheers.

The rule here applied? cheesy.gif

It's called how much have you got? facepalm.giflaugh.png

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Second accident involving a foreigner where the victim is found 200 meters away. At least he admitted to speeding.

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ID: 192   Posted (edited)

Sviss Geez,,,

What decade of Google are you using?.... Are you THAT dense?.... "There is nothing like a black-box in a car, any car, as yet in production." But you ARE correct,,,, "FAIL!",,,,,, just not me,,,,

1, 2011, http://www.wired.com/2011/05/automotive-black-boxes/

2, 2013, http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/01/06/black-boxes-cars-edr/1566098/

3, 2014, http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/komando/2014/12/26/keep-your-car-black-box-private/20609035/

There,,, i've provided 3,, dating back over at least 4 years,,,, Care to show me ONE, concerning a MODERN car like this Mercedes, that counters these I've provided?,,,,,, WHY is it some people, dig a small hole,, and when it's pointed out they are digging themselves into a hole,, claim they're NOT, and Seem to ask, "Mate?,, got a larger shovel?"...

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Crazy Brit. You don't visit a foreign country, rent a car, and drive with reckless abandon. You don't know the roads and you are a guest.

I hope they lock up Mr. Benjamin in a Thai prison cell for a few years and not just let him go back to the island after paying off the officer's family.

My condolences to Police Lance Corporal Wiroon's family and friends. Terrible that this happens at the end of the Songkran holiday.

Who said the car was rented?

What makes him a tourist? Maybe just his visa?

The police officer's motorbike had no license plate at all

Yet, you condemn the guy to a prison sentence. What if it's found out that the car driver had not a trace of alcohol or other substance and that it was an accident at 2:40am.

Then again, i'm sure you'll find some other answers.

The fact of the matter is :- There is a 90kph maximum speed limit on regular duel carriageways and he was travelling way over this. The damage suggests he was going VERY fast therefore it was his fault.

Did it make a difference because the police bike had no number plate ?? of course not.

Should he go to prison, yes he caused a death by dangerous driving.

HOWEVER I am not suggesting that speed is the only factor.

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ID: 195   Posted (edited)

Sviss Geez,,,

What decade of Google are you using?.... Are you THAT dense?.... "There is nothing like a black-box in a car, any car, as yet in production." But you ARE correct,,,, "FAIL!",,,,,, just not me,,,,

1, 2011, http://www.wired.com/2011/05/automotive-black-boxes/

2, 2013, http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/01/06/black-boxes-cars-edr/1566098/

3, 2014, http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/komando/2014/12/26/keep-your-car-black-box-private/20609035/

There,,, i've provided 3,, dating back over at least 4 years,,,, Care to show me ONE, concerning a MODERN car like this Mercedes, that counters these I've provided?,,,,,, WHY is it some people, dig a small hole,, and when it's pointed out they are digging themselves into a hole,, claim they're NOT, and Seem to ask, "Mate?,, got a larger shovel?"...

They are purely ECUs. They are not programmed to record every second or every movement. They simply update the electronics during a journey. We're not at Star Trek level yet. They retune the engine, they monitor electrics primarily, ensure warning lights are on if there is an electronic error - but they do not record who was sitting where, if the pretensioner fired, if the airbags fired on impact. Wake up..... if you believe that malarky then don't feel so fancy free next time at the wheel.

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