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British tourist kills police in crash

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Just a bit of advice, treat motorcycles/scooters like dogs(I ride and hate a lot of riders) because you never know what they will do at any second, never assume they will go straight or turn. Pay attention when you drive, no texting, no cellphone, no BJ, just drive.

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Crazy Brit. You don't visit a foreign country, rent a car, and drive with reckless abandon. You don't know the roads and you are a guest.

I hope they lock up Mr. Benjamin in a Thai prison cell for a few years and not just let him go back to the island after paying off the officer's family.

My condolences to Police Lance Corporal Wiroon's family and friends. Terrible that this happens at the end of the Songkran holiday.

Who said the car was rented?

What makes him a tourist? Maybe just his visa?

The police officer's motorbike had no license plate at all

Yet, you condemn the guy to a prison sentence. What if it's found out that the car driver had not a trace of alcohol or other substance and that it was an accident at 2:40am.

Then again, i'm sure you'll find some other answers.

We can draw a lot of assumptions from the time etc, but I see no mention of booze/brethalyzersburp.gif.pagespeed.ce.RBpw6FUyRRx8h9ZhP6 in the report.

There will be plenty of TV Clouseauscrazy.gif.pagespeed.ce.dzDUUqYcHZL4v7J7m waiting to solve this one!

Yeah and specially these that cannot even afford a car here never the less a sports car. Sure they will find something here to make the Brit out to be a bad Hi So. Jealousy makes you nasty.

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The Thai cop does what almost ALL Thais do...make U-Turns, left hand turns or just about anything WITHOUT LOOKING.

Surely you've all experienced Thais on bikes coming out from a side street on the left. How many look to the right first? About 1% in my experience. At U-Turns more of them look....but many don't. I've lost count of the number of times I've had to brake quickly to give way to idiots at U-Turns who either don't look...or can't wait.

Yet somehow according to the consensus here,it's the Brits fault ... go figure.

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Again, being in the right ..has nothing to do with it.

If we know Thai's always make quick U turns and cut us off..then why not give a look around before plowing through an intersection/U turn access road?

Being right will not prevent accidents, and will not prevent headlines like what are now reading. I know many farangs are irritated...in fact angry....and they put the blinders up and step on the pedal....insisting that they have the right of way. This is not how people drive here..... right or wrong.....if a farang cannot handle the awkward driving habits of Thai's...perhaps it is better you have your wife drive.

Sad reality....right or wrong...it will not go well for him.

100% spot on !! If you cannot handle the heat in the kitchen, get out... It is what it is, unfortunately

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I'm astounded that the Brit has bden sentenced by the TV Court.

He may well be guilty, but let a real court determine that.......please!

If he was speeding, he's dumb, but the cop may have turned suddenly, and without indicating, so there may be mitigating circumstances.

Having said that, we make decisions predicated on other drivers doing the 'right thing', I.e., not speeding, so the cop may have turned thinking he had plenty of time, but that decision may have been based on the Benz traveling at (say) 40 km/hr, not 80.

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If he is a holder of the Thailand Elite card, his chances of avoiding prison are greater.

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I hope tha they lock this guy up and just throw the keys away.

Somewhat extreme.

He should be prosecuted if it can be proven that he was exceeding the speed limit. Otherwise, what can you do if a dope in front of you on a bike with no registration plate suddenly does a U turn in front of you in poor lighting conditions (2.30 am)? ?

Sad that a bloke lost his life, but was he just another Songran drunk?

The Thai bloke who mowed down a cop a few years ago, rich guy, now cooling his heals in foreign parts, should he be locked up too, and throw away the key?

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The article states the air bags deployed,,, with modern cars, (esp a MB I'd guess),,,, it's as simple as plugging it into a dealers service computer, and the CAR'S computer, will tell you exactly the speed at impact, the angle of the impact,, were the brakes being applied, how strongly, etc, etc,,, BUT,,, will anyone investigating this bother to see that through?...

Adeeos has made the most intelligent post here yet as it relates to facts and blame.

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For the record, John has lived and worked in Thailand for almost 10 years. He owns the car and has a wife and 12 year old daughter, Speed limit in that part of Phetchkasem is 80KMH. Worrying no posters have even considered his healh

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Crazy Brit. You don't visit a foreign countryand drive with reckless abandon.

The police officer's motorbike had no license plate at all

Would it change anything, if the motorbike would have a license plate?sad.png

Anyway,TIT, motorbikes drive often for some weeks without plates until they are provided by the authorities.

Nothing uncommon with new motorbikes. blink.png

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ID: 88   Posted (edited)

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I hope tha they lock this guy up and just throw the keys away.

I love listening to you, saint and super driver, that never disobey the rules in Thailand.

Try to read the article properly, the guy was cut off by the motorbike when the policeman made a u-turn at the spot suddenly, cutting into his way and making it impossible for him to stop his car in time.

Ask yourself, what would you have done in a situation like this?

So stop, trying to be clever and think before you post nonsense.

Did you read the article? The bike ended up 200meters away......I doubt a bike could be thrown that far if he was going less than 70-80kmph , not to mention the front of the Merc has all but disintegrated. IF the Merc was speeding then you cannot really say the cop cut him off as he may have had enough time to u turn if the Merc was traveling at the correct speed.

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Wow!.... not one TV member has ever broken the speed limit.... have any of you considered that this could have been you, breaking the speed limit and then someone cuts directly in front of you, making it impossible to avoid them... this could happen even if not speeding.

If it's found that he was drunk then that's a different story.... if it's found that he was speeding to excess that's also different, but for now just thank your lucky stars it has never happened to you when in the past you were speeding.

Yes, he will have to pay the penalty for his crime, but do we really need to make him out to be the devil.

RIP to the man who lost his life.

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This kind of accident is a daily occurrence on the roads in Thailand. My condolences to the policeman's family.

My question is if the guy in the car had been a Thai would this article have taken on so much prominence or that the motorcyclist was a policeman?

It does however highlight the fact that u-turns are dangerous and driving would be that much safer if they were banned altogether so that the driver has to go on to the next exit.

As for all you people so ready to jump on the bandwagon of blame remember it could be you next time.

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Without knowing the real facts we can only make assumptions. But everyone who drives regularly here knows how unpredictable Thai drivers are, you need to be hyper alert 100% of the time. Expect the unexpected, most drivers have no training, treat everyone like a learner with no experience.

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Crazy Brit. You don't visit a foreign country, rent a car, and drive with reckless abandon. You don't know the roads and you are a guest.

I hope they lock up Mr. Benjamin in a Thai prison cell for a few years and not just let him go back to the island after paying off the officer's family.

My condolences to Police Lance Corporal Wiroon's family and friends. Terrible that this happens at the end of the Songkran holiday.

Who said the car was rented?

What makes him a tourist? Maybe just his visa?

The police officer's motorbike had no license plate at all

Yet, you condemn the guy to a prison sentence. What if it's found out that the car driver had not a trace of alcohol or other substance and that it was an accident at 2:40am.

Then again, i'm sure you'll find some other answers.

Ignoring all the alleged possibilities, the guy was going far to fast at 2.40 am! Serious case of reckless driving!

"The impact hurled the motorcycle about 200 meters away from car. Several parts of the motorcycle were broken and scattered at the spot."

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ID: 94   Posted (edited)

OK The guy was speeding BUT it was the Policeman who cut in front of him!

So, Policemans fault.

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Wow!.... not one TV member has ever broken the speed limit.... have any of you considered that this could have been you, breaking the speed limit and then someone cuts directly in front of you, making it impossible to avoid them... this could happen even if not speeding.

If it's found that he was drunk then that's a different story.... if it's found that he was speeding to excess that's also different, but for now just thank your lucky stars it has never happened to you when in the past you were speeding.

Yes, he will have to pay the penalty for his crime, but do we really need to make him out to be the devil.

RIP to the man who lost his life.

Of course he is not the devil. And I know he regrets the death...it will live with him forever. The young policeman is gone. His wife and family will also live with this forever.

I hope it is a civil matter..not a criminal one. As long as his speed was not "Reckless" and he was not "Intoxicated", I believe it becomes a civil thing...

If he is truly sorry, and there was no criminal intent....

I do forgive.

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Not only a lot of damage to the car, but it knocked the bike 200m? More than 2 football fields?

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It's saddening at any time to read about the needless death of a fellow human, regardless of race.

Quite naturally, ones thoughts turn to the question of blame. From the scant known details in the op it would suggest to me .....

The car was speeding and so the driver must accept responsibility in that respect. It is unclear however who or how the speeding was determined. Being in a Mercedes sports car, in itself, is sufficient for some people to wrongly assume the driver would be going very fast.

The collision occurred at a U turn. Hmmmm. Many problems with U turn areas myself but no collisions yet. I'll keep my thoughts on that scenario to myself but I'm sure most have had similar experiences.

The motorcycle did not have a licence plate. I don't know the advantage of not having a licence plate. As the motorcycle was I think 300cc it raises a few questions in my mind as to what that is all about. The deceased motorcycle driver was a policeman. Well ... Being a policeman is not an offence but riding an illegal vehicle on the road is certainly not an example to set if you are, and of course apportions a large portion of blame / responsibility for an accident.

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I think it is silly to assign blame at this time in the proceedings. We have no idea who's at fault and it could be that they were both in the wrong. The Brit for speeding and the Thai officer for making an ill-advised U-turn in front of an on coming car.

An ill advised U turn.... Well that's his story and he's stuck with it. The cop cant give his version and apparently no witnesses.

Lets wait and see what come out of any investigation.

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Crazy Brit. You don't visit a foreign country, rent a car, and drive with reckless abandon. You don't know the roads and you are a guest.

I hope they lock up Mr. Benjamin in a Thai prison cell for a few years and not just let him go back to the island after paying off the officer's family.

My condolences to Police Lance Corporal Wiroon's family and friends. Terrible that this happens at the end of the Songkran holiday.

Who said the car was rented?

What makes him a tourist? Maybe just his visa?

The police officer's motorbike had no license plate at all

Yet, you condemn the guy to a prison sentence. What if it's found out that the car driver had not a trace of alcohol or other substance and that it was an accident at 2:40am.

Then again, i'm sure you'll find some other answers.

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ID: 100   Posted (edited)

For the record, John has lived and worked in Thailand for almost 10 years. He owns the car and has a wife and 12 year old daughter, Speed limit in that part of Phetchkasem is 80KMH. Worrying no posters have even considered his healh

Thank you for the information.

Good man, with family and daughter, possibly should be home at 2:30 AM in the morning instead of beeing alone around and speeding in a 80 km/h zone near U-turn and Hospital.

Or did he work in the night business? - Than sorry for my comment.

In a village, city, I reduce speed and at U-turns, I am at alert, special when I recognize a vehicel there. whistling.gif

Thailand is the leading (bigger) Country in road traffic death per capita.

As only the small countries, Eritrea, Dominican Republic and Libya are in front of it. blink.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

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