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Is there anywhere we farang can officially complain about this apartheid rule?

 

I know we can never vote and are essentially powerless here.  I've somewhat accepted that.

 

If we went to Tourist Police, they would probably laugh us out of the building, if any one of us went and complained about this restriction.  I've been laughed at there before, when I naively went and mentioned a party near my house which had music so loud, it rattled my windows until 3 am.  Tourist police in Chiang Rai are so determined to do as little as possible, that they get a building south of town with near zero no activity.  If they were any more out of touch, they'd be in the middle of a rice paddy in another province.

 

A farang could go to voice concern at the Imm Office, but again: It would be met by the kind of looks (from uniformed officials) which convey:  "This rule came from Bangkok.  No one ever questions a requirement handed down from Bangkok.  They're our superiors.  What they require is what they require.  Nothing can change that.  End of conversation."  Then they would ask to look at your passport, and scrutinize it with furrowed brow.

 

 

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boomer:

 

Here's my confusion.  If I go to Lao for a visit.  In returning I must report to immigration at the border.  Report to Chiang Rai Immigration at the border. 

 

Are you suggesting that I must additionally to to the Chiang Rai Immigration office and report AGAIN?

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Rotweiler said:

boomer:

 

Here's my confusion.  If I go to Lao for a visit.  In returning I must report to immigration at the border.  Report to Chiang Rai Immigration at the border. 

 

Are you suggesting that I must additionally to to the Chiang Rai Immigration office and report AGAIN?

 

 

Actually, your landlord or wife has to. Within 24 hours. If not, your landlord or wife risk a fine up to 2,000 baht. 

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9 hours ago, Rotweiler said:

boomer: Here's my confusion.  If I go to Lao for a visit.  In returning I must report to immigration at the border.  Report to Chiang Rai Immigration at the border. Are you suggesting that I must additionally to to the Chiang Rai Immigration office and report AGAIN?

That's my understanding.  Less than a week ago, I renewed my 1 year visa. As I was about to leave, two uniformed women who work there - came to me and told me what I've been writing about; must come in to the Imm Office in person - purportedly to maintain the info that I still reside where I reside.  

For awhile, I thought it may be directed to me personally for some odd reason.  Then, a day later, I read a letter in the Post complaining about the same issue, written by a farang guy in Phuket.   Now, with a few mentions by others, it appears it's a serious rule.  Non-compliance may get a person a Bt.2000 fine.  

 

Another angle:  For people familiar with Thailand, we know that laws are administered differently in different places.  There's much subjectivity.  For example, a farang tossing a dead cig butt in certain places in Bkk, can get slapped with a Bt.2000 fine right away.   Or pee tests required, late at night, at heavily-touristed night club areas.   

 

Strictly speaking, all farang in Thailand are legally required to carry their passports with them every moment they're out and about.  Yet, that rule is v. rarely enforced.  I'm hoping this ridiculous rule about reporting (after returning to C.Rai province) will go that same route, and just get ignored by bureaucracy.

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11 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

That's my understanding.  Less than a week ago, I renewed my 1 year visa. As I was about to leave, two uniformed women who work there - came to me and told me what I've been writing about; must come in to the Imm Office in person - purportedly to maintain the info that I still reside where I reside.  

For awhile, I thought it may be directed to me personally for some odd reason.  Then, a day later, I read a letter in the Post complaining about the same issue, written by a farang guy in Phuket.   Now, with a few mentions by others, it appears it's a serious rule.  Non-compliance may get a person a Bt.2000 fine.  

 

Another angle:  For people familiar with Thailand, we know that laws are administered differently in different places.  There's much subjectivity.  For example, a farang tossing a dead cig butt in certain places in Bkk, can get slapped with a Bt.2000 fine right away.   Or pee tests required, late at night, at heavily-touristed night club areas.   

 

Strictly speaking, all farang in Thailand are legally required to carry their passports with them every moment they're out and about.  Yet, that rule is v. rarely enforced.  I'm hoping this ridiculous rule about reporting (after returning to C.Rai province) will go that same route, and just get ignored by bureaucracy.

many things change to the bad for us farangs at the moment...

yesterday I have to wait for an easy 90day report at the cr io nearly 1 hour!

 

boomer,here is the phone number for the boss of cr immigrations office, super intendant pol. col. aekorn 081-8952945

at the wall in the immi office is an picture from him with the phonenumber and written above "if you have any inconvinence please let me know"

give him an call,maybe he can clear or change something...

my English isn't good enough for an call with an high ranked immi officer.

robinsons

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4 hours ago, Robinsons said:

here is the phone number for the boss of cr immigrations office, super intendant pol. col. aekorn 081-8952945

Hi, I called that number.  Aekorn answered but, when he heard me speaking in English, handed the phone to his assistant (I didn't get her name).  We spoke for about 10 minutes.  It wasn't easy because she spoke in end-to-end broken sentences, and it was not easy to get a word in edge-wise.

 

She said the reporting is required, but it can be done by email.  Within seconds she said it can be done by letter.  When I asked about email, she said it was better to do by letter ('because it's hard to confirm by email?  I don't know').   She said put a self-addressed stamped (3 baht) envelope in the letter.  I think the letter to them only needs to have your name, nationality, passport# and resident address.   She made a mention of the Thai person who you're renting from and/or is behind every farang residing in Thailand. I sidestepped that issue, because I don't have a wife and I live in a  house with yellow 'tabian ban'.  Anyhow, here's the Imm address:

 

Chiang Rai Immigration

117 Ampoe Mai Sai
Wiang Pankaw

Mae Sai, Chiang Rai, 57130

 

The spellings are probably not perfect, above.  Any corrections are appreciated.  I wrote it as I heard it.  Online, the street address mentions "Chang Wat" (elephant temple?). 

 

I ended the phone call by telling her the new enforcement of the rule is stupid. She said that's the rule.  I told her rules are made by men, and they can be changed by men.  She said even her boss, who is a colonel, doesn't have any leverage with the brass in Bangkok.  Perhaps if enough farang (and their gf's/wives) call that number and complain, .....the idiotic rule will be rescinded or diluted. 

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1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

Hi, I called that number.  Aekorn answered but, when he heard me speaking in English, handed the phone to his assistant (I didn't get her name).  We spoke for about 10 minutes.  It wasn't easy because she spoke in end-to-end broken sentences, and it was not easy to get a word in edge-wise.

 

She said the reporting is required, but it can be done by email.  Within seconds she said it can be done by letter.  When I asked about email, she said it was better to do by letter ('because it's hard to confirm by email?  I don't know').   She said put a self-addressed stamped (3 baht) envelope in the letter.  I think the letter to them only needs to have your name, nationality, passport# and resident address.   She made a mention of the Thai person who you're renting from and/or is behind every farang residing in Thailand. I sidestepped that issue, because I don't have a wife and I live in a  house with yellow 'tabian ban'.  Anyhow, here's the Imm address:

 

Chiang Rai Immigration

117 Ampoe Mai Sai
Wiang Pankaw

Mae Sai, Chiang Rai, 57130

 

The spellings are probably not perfect, above.  Any corrections are appreciated.  I wrote it as I heard it.  Online, the street address mentions "Chang Wat" (elephant temple?). 

 

I ended the phone call by telling her the new enforcement of the rule is stupid. She said that's the rule.  I told her rules are made by men, and they can be changed by men.  She said even her boss, who is a colonel, doesn't have any leverage with the brass in Bangkok.  Perhaps if enough farang (and their gf's/wives) call that number and complain, .....the idiotic rule will be rescinded or diluted. 

thanx for your info boomer!

but for sure when I travelling within Thailand and come back home,i don't go to the cr io each time with my wife.

will see than whats about the fine and how they want to handle or controlling it... :partytime2:

robinsons

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11 hours ago, Robinsons said:

thanx for your info boomer! but for sure when I travelling within Thailand and come back home,i don't go to the cr io each time with my wife. will see than whats about the fine and how they want to handle or controlling it... :partytime2: robinsons

If you don't use your ID/passport (for example: checking in to a hotel) when traveling to another Thai province, then you're probably are ok with not doing the formal report (Imm office visit) when you get back to C.Rai.  That's my opinion, so don't take it as gospel.

I spoke to one farang who said he uses another type of ID when he checks in to a hotel in an outside province.  I assume a Thai drivers license (which I use for hotels and for plane travel within Thailand) is ok, and would probably preclude the apartheid-like checking in-person at Imm Office.

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Note:  addresses in Thailand are akin to transliteration of Thai to Roman letters.   They vary a lot.

 

You could get 5 Thai people to write an address for a particular place, and it wouldn't be surprising that you'd get the address written 5 different ways.  I mention that because: the address the woman official gave me over the phone is similar, but different than the address on web sites - for the Mae Sai Imm office.

 

 

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On 2/5/2018 at 9:53 AM, Rotweiler said:

boomer: Here's my confusion.  If I go to Lao for a visit.  In returning I must report to immigration at the border.  Report to Chiang Rai Immigration at the border. Are you suggesting that I must additionally to to the Chiang Rai Immigration office and report AGAIN?

I'm not an expert on this stuff, but my assumption is: if the Imm office at the border crossing is an official Imm office (rather than just an office which rubber stamps people coming and going), then you're probably ok.  I doubt the office at the border crossing is official - in this context.

 

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I had what must be a world record for a 90 day report today.
Arrived 8.45, parked by door, did 90 day, found and used toilet, back in car at 8.55.


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I woke up this morning (yes, I do that occasionally) and realized I didn't report to Imm - that I had crossed over to Tachilek (and returned to Mai Sai) six days ago.  Whoa.  Saturday (today) C.Rai Imm is probably closed.  Sunday certainly (despite Sunday being a Christian day-off).  So, do I be a good farang and dutifully show up Monday to formally inform Imm that I live at the same house I've resided at for 19 years?  I'm tempted to slough it off, and hope that Imm isn't worried about the ridiculous rule, ....similar to how it doesn't enforce other ridiculous rules.    

 

Police don't enforce rules, but that's a different story.  Police can sit at a busy intersection and watch 50 cars and trucks per minute go speeding through red lights, but..... mai pen rai.

 

When I went to C.Rai Imm 2 mondays ago, there weren't any 'take a number' numbers.  I was told they were full and couldn't handle any more people, period.  It was 11 am.   So, if I go this Monday, will I get the same non-reception, or will it only take 2 or 3 hours - to formally inform them that yes, I still reside in the same house I've resided in for 19 years.   

 

Don't tell anyone.  Thanks.

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For the annual retirement extension, here in Chonburi you can do it up to one month before its due. Anyone know about CR? Thanks.

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16 hours ago, frodo77 said:

For the annual retirement extension, here in Chonburi you can do it up to one month before its due. Anyone know about CR? Thanks.

Same here in CR!

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Can someone please confirm that you do your retirement renewal on Mondays and Wednesdays at CR Immigration? Also do you get your passport back at the same time, as in Chonburi you had to return the next day to pick up your passport. Thanks.

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