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Immigration Promenada One Stop Service 2016-2017

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4 minutes ago, Konini said:

 

 

They charge 3,000 baht. Your moral choice on using the service.

 

So you guys pay 3000 baht more on top of the 1900 baht just to cut queue?

 

If almost everybody has to pay an extra 3000 baht , then why not ask the government to make the official fee as 4900 baht instead? That would be extra revenue for the government and everyone would be treated equally.

 

Somehow I find this as quite disturbing that a priviledged company is allowed to cut queue.

 

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54 minutes ago, xng said:

 

Online appointment would have been great considering that this is the 21st century and people don't sit on chairs waiting at ungodly hours like in the early 20th century.

 

I wonder whether it's because there is a subtle message given by some powerful government officials?

 

How much more do we have to pay extra to G4T and where is this agent company situated?

 

 

 

The online appointment WAS great.  It was taken offline at the same time G4T opened. As did the number of people processed every day. If you go after the allocated number of queue spots are gone, the girls at the desk will tell you that you can either come back tomorrow or go to G4T, who are very conveniently located next door.  

 

 I would consider paying them for their service if the ownership details and the relationship between the company and Immigration were to be released in some verifiable form.  Other agents around town don't appear to have the same access as G4T.

 

They charge 3,000 baht. Your moral choice on using the service.

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3 minutes ago, xng said:

 

So you guys pay 3000 baht more on top of the 1900 baht just to cut queue?

 

If almost everybody has to pay an extra 3000 baht , then why not ask the government to make the official fee as 4900 baht instead? That would be extra revenue for the government and everyone would be treated equally.

 

Somehow I find this as quite disturbing that a priviledged company is allowed to cut queue.

 

 

No, some guys pay 3,000 baht to cut the queue.  Some of us adhere to a higher moral standard that disallows such things.  And what stops us is not that there is what appears to be a privileged company, but the ownership of said company and the way the online appointment system stopped, the new online system has been blocked and the far fewer number of queue tickets handed out each day when the company in question opened, with the unlucky ones being directed to the agency or come back again tomorrow morning at 4.30; my husband was there at 4.15 and number 11 in the queue.  With no lights on - I think that may have changed now after a few people hurt themselves.  

 

One can only draw conclusions from the evidence we have - what we know and what we don't know.

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If the problem really is a lack of staff, then why don't they remove the 90 days reporting queue and redeploy the staff elsewhere.

 

I fail to see why people have to physically queue up and do extra paperwork every 3 months. 

 

 

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When the guy on the 'x' visa counter doesn't have customers, s/he doesn't take the next retirement person waiting. S/he plays with her/his phone until the next 'x' visa customer comes.  I forget how many they have, definitely tourist, retirement, medical, reenty permit.  Lots of phone playing going on every time I pass by.

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1 hour ago, Konini said:

 

Not knocking them, just telling it like it is.  Like it was is a little bit different.  Online appointments, 40 or 50 at least processed every day. G4T opened up shop nex tdoor to Immigration at the same time online appointments stopped and processing 20 people per day started. Nancy put in a lot of effort (and expense, getting there at 5am isn't cheap when you don't have your own transport), reported constantly on a post on here how many people she witnessed waiting in queues, how many people were processed, got on to various ambassadors and consulates like a dog with a bone and in the end was told not to present herself at immigration for any reason other than her own extension or reporting.  She did manage to get the numbers up to 25 though.  It went up to 30 after a letter to the editor from Spakles was printed in the Bankgok Post, seems that the number is dropping again.  Given what Nancy has done I find your tone a little harsh.

 

G4T is without doubt the easiest way to get your extension at the moment.  However, you appear to be new and don't know the history behind the general resistance to use G4T.   A lack of transparency over the ownership of G4T, has been a matter of much speculation and concern, although I'm not suggesting anything improper is happening  .

 

if you are not sugesting anything  is  improper is happening  at  G4T

why post  anything at all, towards them  ,and let the punter decide which road to take,

and a very polite reminder, Nancy L posted on this board ,very   harsh  tactics to say the least,  to  combat immgr depts poor services provided in c/mai,and from memory around the same time as the B/koks bombings, surely not a fitting time to do so,, which led her to be red carded unless on her own business,and her   husband( in her own words)  had to seek a visa agent for his own visa,s etc etc, to miss any cross fire which may have resulted from those tactics, ,and being red carded, very lucky section 44 was not used J.M.O.

E/S has posted, long ago, that a suttle approach is needed,or softly softly ,and full  respect, given  to the immgr dept(right or wrong), perhaps this diplomatic  dialogue may start in the up and coming meeting, certainly hope so for all expats in C,Mai,

a very nice late evening,and pleasant dreams to all

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To improve the situation at IMM

 

Issue Retirement Extensions for 2, 3, 5 or 10 years as per Malaysia and Indonesia etc.

 

Cut out the 90 day reporting

 

Does IMM BKK really think bad guys report etc.

 

ALL IMM BKK has done is make more and more rules for the goods guys

 

How many times do we report our address etc.,

 

ON ARRIVAL

VISA EXTENSION

90 DAY REPORT

RE-ENTRY PERMIT

NATIONAL ID FORM with every IMM TRANSACTION

TM28

TM30

 

If IMM had a decent system and a NATIONAL ID card for Expats, maybe we would NOT need the above

 

AND you have to keep YOUR MANUAL record

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ID: 638   Posted (edited)

24 minutes ago, HullyGully said:

To improve the situation at IMM

 

Issue Retirement Extensions for 2, 3, 5 or 10 years as per Malaysia and Indonesia etc.

 

Cut out the 90 day reporting

ON ARRIVAL

VISA EXTENSION

90 DAY REPORT

RE-ENTRY PERMIT

NATIONAL ID FORM with every IMM TRANSACTION

TM28

TM30

 

If IMM had a decent system and a NATIONAL ID card for Expats, maybe we would NOT need the above

 

AND you have to keep YOUR MANUAL record

 

It seems like a big mess and absolutely unnecessary in this age of cheap hard disk space and advanced computer software.

 

Can't they just retrieve our details from their database instead of asking us to fill up all the time?

 

Edited by xng

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My experience in getting a resident certificate from Promenada was also not pleasant but at least I don't have to queue at ungodly hours.

 

The first time I had to make an appointment just to submit my application one week later. (There was only around less than 10 slots for submission per day)

 

The second time I submitted my application but was made to wait for 2 weeks to get my resident's certificate.

 

I'm not sure what will happen on my third visit there after 2 weeks..... It takes 3 weeks just to get a resident's certificate when my condo management has already reported my presence to immigration when I first moved in.

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23 minutes ago, xng said:

 

My experience in getting a resident certificate from Promenada was also not pleasant but at least I don't have to queue at ungodly hours.

 

The first time I had to make an appointment just to submit my application one week later. (There was only around less than 10 slots for submission per day)

 

The second time I submitted my application but was made to wait for 2 weeks to get my resident's certificate.

 

I'm not sure what will happen on my third visit there after 2 weeks..... It takes 3 weeks just to get a resident's certificate when my condo management has already reported my presence to immigration when I first moved in.

 

Whoa, this is interesting, xng.  Are you saying, there's a queue for applying for a free Cert. of Res. and they only accept 10 applications per day and accept appointments for future applications for the free Cert. of Res.?  

 

If they can handle appointments for future Cert of Res. then I wonder why they can't handle appointments for future retirement visa extensions?  Wouldn't it be nice to take the mall's free shuttle out to Prom, make an appointment for your visa extension next month, watch a movie and then come back the following month for your visa extension appointment?  Who says they need an on-line appointment system for visa extensions?  After all, it seems Imm. can handle a paper-and-pencil system for something like a Cert. of Res. application.

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10 hours ago, delboy said:

 

Moderator - please delete (I started a reply but failed to post it and that act prevents other replies).  Thanks.

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I've been careful with my wording, I'm confident I have not done any wrong.

 

I don't make claim to higher standards - my visa is taken care of at a Thai embassy overseas, but many people in my circle of friends have told me that even though they are cutting their nose off to spite their face, they are either getting up early or paying one of the more established agencies in town.

 

I respect your opinion, and indeed your right to have an opinion on this as it is such a contentious issue, but I don't agree with it.  :smile:

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On a positive note, the old online appointment-booking system was excellent, I happily used it for three or four years running.

 

It would be very helpful if Chiang Mai Immigration could restart that system, and even more helpful if they could increase the capacity and offer more appointments, to allow more of us to help Immigration by arriving in a steady controlled-stream  ?

 

I believe that the new top-man has promised to improve things for the elderly or disabled, I myself walk with a stick & had to stand for two hours in the early-morning to get a number, having been turned-away the previous day,  IMO this would be an excellent place to make a start, please !  :wai:

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